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Banned

The discussion at has determined that you are banned from Misplaced Pages. Accordingly, your account is blocked and you are not permitted to edit Misplaced Pages under any account or IP address until such time as the ban is lifted by community consensus or the Arbitration Committee. Sandstein 14:01, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Straw poll

- I am considering a bid to regain my editing privileges. Anyone with an opinion is welcomed to voice it. Those who would like to discuss it with me, are welcomed to dialogue.Die4Dixie (talk) 06:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

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Hi, could you give us an idea about what you would say to return? I think that would be helpful to others to know what exactly could be suggested towards helping you. Hope you are well, --CrohnieGal 11:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your well wishes, CG. If your interest in how I am doing is more than social, I could update you via email. Social response is, "I am well, thank you. And you?". I frequently peruse Misplaced Pages still, and often find things that are obviously vandalism on its face (most recent was an edit that claimed the BNP was left wing, which reverting back to right wing should have been uncontroversial). That might not be the best example, as the subject seems to be controversial. I hope to seek a mentor who would help me decide on those types of reversions, work in translations from Spanish to English, little "c" Latin American issues, and linguistics. I would avoid the Holocaust, since I lack any finesse to deal with it. If you have any more specific questions, just let me know.--Die4Dixie (talk) 05:39, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Oppose. Thanks for the heads-up; I'll be sure to watch for any unban request so that I can chip-in, again. Regards, Jack Merridew 23:26, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure that the "regards" were sincere, but will AGF. I will also assume that that was a rejection of dialogue and move on, as more could be said. If my interpretation is wrong, you can feel free to email me, and if you have stronger opinions that you would like to voice. I would waive any expectation of privacy if you like.Die4Dixie (talk) 05:39, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

For anyone who doesn't remember, you and I have worked past some strong differences of opinion, and kept up cordial relations ever since. I would welcome you back anytime as a capable and valued colleague, and hope you can overcome the issues that lead to the community ban. Though serious, I think they're simple matters and have to do with letting anger (or something like that) get the better of you, and in turn aiming some hostile provocative comments at other editors. I don't really have any suggestions on how you and the community can rebuild good relations, but I'm eager to hear and help. Best, - Wikidemon (talk) 00:39, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

TY, WD. If you have any specific questions, I would be happy to answer them. I have the cursed bad luck of seeing others´ sacred animals as meat, not breeching my weapon before pointing it at my foot, and a vicious habit of paying kind with kind. It is my sincere hope that a mentor from the other other side of the spectrum would materialize such that a failure to thrive or find clue could be reported to the community for appropriate removal of limited privileges.--Die4Dixie (talk) 05:39, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, actually I have lots of questions about who you might be in real life and would love to share a beer someday, but I'll keep those comments private per WP:NOT#FORUM. Regarding civility, I think a combination of goodwill and having a thick skin is useful, but it takes patience on both sides to do that successfully. I mean, if you'll forgive the cliche, as long as you smile when you say it, a little rough and tumble is good... but both people have to be smiling. I remember one of my very first trips to the east coast (of the US), a crusty old shopkeep answered my overly polite question, perhaps whether he had a bathroom I might use, with a snarky heavily Yankee accented rhetorical question that managed to mock my vulnerability, age, and youthful ignorance all at the same time. I was mortified and angry, and told my friends years later that easterners were complete jerks. Only now do I realize he must have liked me and was just trying to break the ice by teasing. Now, when someone is rude I try to imagine that they're just playing around. I hope that makes sense. Anyway, if you want some drama, I'm in a rather heated exchange with an administrator at this very moment... - Wikidemon (talk) 06:11, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I will look. Train wrecks still carry certain natural attention attracting powers. I don´t think I will comment on what I see, as I don´t feel it would be appropriate nor do I want to distract anyone from my present endeavors. --Die4Dixie (talk) 00:53, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I just read enough to know that is a subject that I want nothing to do with. I had seen the beginning of it, and do not believe, right or wrong, that that is the battle that you want to pick or have picked for you. It is not worth the nasty feelings that it is generating for you.--Die4Dixie (talk) 01:00, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

die4dixie@gmail.com. I see you do not have email enabled, but on the chance you are really curious about me and who I am, you can email me off the record.--Die4Dixie (talk) 01:46, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. And sorry to gush like that. That's wise to avoid random drama that doesn't concern you. I rarely check my email from wikipedia but I do sometimes, normally I'm happy to stay anonymous. I may email you; if not, later. Cheers - Wikidemon (talk) 05:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikidemon, I´ll bet you don´t check your Wiki---Die4Dixie (talk) 21:01, 16 May 2010 (UTC)email often. It isn´t enabled ;)

Hi Die4Dixie. I agree with CrohnieGal; I think you should give us an idea of what your arguments would be in asking for a reversal of the community ban. Also, you might want to indicate which area(s) of Misplaced Pages you intend to edit. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 19:10, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Malik. Please take a look at my response to CrohnieGirl from last night. As far as arguments, I can only say that I have made many positive contributions. I am not eager to delve to deeply into the process by which I was "banned" until I make a formal request, and then only if it proves absolutely necessary. I remember well our earlier interactions, and count you among the most sober in judgment. The risk of disruption vs. project benefit could be weighted heavily in favor of benefit if there were concern in that area. Privileges are easily granted, and as privileges are easily removed at this point.--Die4Dixie (talk) 00:53, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

D'oh! I don't know how I missed that. Based on that response, I would lean toward supporting your appeal to have the community ban lifted. (I assume you've read WP:BAN, especially WP:UNBAN.) — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 18:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

I have read both. I see two paths to reinstatement of privileges. If favorably considered, would you know anyone accepting mentées?--Die4Dixie (talk) 20:58, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I'd support this appeal, based upon our private communication. I do believe you've been far more clumsy than deliberately nasty, and that you have lots to contribute in other areas. --jpgordon 04:57, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you JP. Know any good mentors?--Die4Dixie (talk) 20:58, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Also support. I think you tended to be misunderstood, rather than being, as Jpgordon puts it, deliberately nasty. Just do whatever you need to do to put everyone's minds at ease. A ~~court-appointed au pair~~ mentor sounds like a good idea. Equazcion 00:02, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

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I received an e-mail from Die4Dixie inviting comment, so here it is. I'm opposed to even considering restoring editing privileges to D4D until he has posted a complete recapitulation of the events leading up to his ban, the errors in judgment he made (specifically addressing those alleged during the ban discussion) and concrete plans to avoid those same errors in the future. Any unban should, in my opinion, be accompanied by a strict bar from participating in certain categories of content that have proved contentious in the past - specifically, the Holocaust, matters of race, and elective politics in the United States. Editing Misplaced Pages is a privilege, not a right -- it's a privilege extended to anyone, but once revoked there is no presumption that it ought to be returned after some period of time or expression of contrition. If you want the privilege to edit again, you need to justify its return. Nathan 00:11, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Nathan. Thank you for taking the time to respond. I don´t think that we are in any disagreement about the nature of editing privileges on Misplaced Pages. There is a link to the entire episode at the top of the page, so I am not sure what purpose a recap would serve. If you will look at my response to Crohniegirl, I think I have outlined certain steps. I think you will find that any "problems" with elective politics had been long resolved, and in fact, I was instrumental in clarifying the religion of Barack Obama. Feel free to look at Wikidemon´s statements, an editor with whom I had a tremendous clash with there. Also my later interactions with Gsrx11, another editor there with whom I had had several disagreements. Or even The Magnificent Clean-keeper.I of course would be seeking a mentor. But there are other areas that I am interested in working on. My involvement with Holocaust themes have been practically non existent, so I see no great hardship there. If you had the time and the inclination, I would be happy for you to mentor me.--Die4Dixie (talk) 00:40, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to see your recap of what happened in order to get your perspective, particularly to find out what role you think you played if any. That along with concrete plans on what behavior to avoid will demonstrate two things: that you understand how your conduct led to the result obtained, and that you intend to avoid that type of conduct in the future. Sometimes people trying to get unbanned will issue blanket apologies and assert good intentions, but all the while believe they didn't really do anything wrong (or simply misunderstand what it was exactly they did wrong). This is more important to me than mentorship - from past observations, almost all mentorship arrangements fail to produce good results. Nathan 21:51, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I respect your opinion, but I am going to have to decline. This is not a denial that I played a role, but I really think that wading through that would be counterproductive at this juncture. A lot of people said intemperate things, and a blow by blow account of a wikidrama that everyone who is willing can follow from the links above would only put us back 6 months. For me, now, it suffices to say that there came a point that I was a WP:DICK. I understand what lead to the block, but if the behaviour is not repeated, then you and I don´t need to have the same understanding if ours differ. You can trust that I am bright enough, and that with enough reflection, to see that when editors who are kindly disposed refuse to step in the green cow shit for not wanting it to come up between their toes, I do not want it between mine either. If my unwillingness to has out that ANI thread again here now costs me your goodwill in my bid, I will have to respect and accept that. I think that satisfying you would cost me more and turn a positive into another a "debacle".--Die4Dixie (talk) 22:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Per Misplaced Pages:OFFER I cannot support unbanning this editor until the editor makes a binding pledge to avoid the behavior that led to the block/ban. Since I'm not providing hints, it is up to this editor to propose conditions to their pledge. Hipocrite (talk) 11:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I have some work to do this morning and into the afternoon. I did read WP:OFFER, and believing that you are one of the editors who support such an essay, I wondered if you would consider an email from me per the essay, and that if favorably moved, be the experienced editor who would sponsor such an offer by moving a request from the my talk page? No pig in a poke, but if it were something that you would never consider, I wouldn´t want to waste your time. I have outlined somethings above that might give you a general idea of my intentions, but as I am 2 weeks or so shy of 6 months, it might be a little premature to delve too deeply. I emailed everyone who had email enabled that commented in December here and at ANI. I had hoped by doing so, those that say no way, never, could do so now in a cordial way and this be drama free which I believe to be the best for me, for other editors, and for the project. In spite of your inscrutable lack of hints, I think I understand you.--Die4Dixie (talk) 12:34, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I would present your offer to AN if your promise were sufficiently unambiguous and toothsome that I was comfortable that it was not another game. Hipocrite (talk) 13:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. We are still a little out from that email, but I will let you be the judge as to its merits, as I believe you are on the level.--Die4Dixie (talk) 23:09, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

- - Seeing as how this is not a formal request for an unban but rather, as the very name of the section suggests, a straw poll to gage response - I would welcome a chance to move past this and get another editor typing. IF Die4Dixie would consent to be mentored by a liberal, I'd have no problem with doing that. But, if that would place too much strain on the good faith of the subject then I understand and support any mentor that keeps the focus on the article and citations. Die4Dixie's responses here are decidedly different than were posted in the ban discussion, I'd be interested in seeing more. Padillah (talk) 12:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

A liberal would be fine with me. Believe it or not, there are several with whom I have had unpleasant encounters with in the past, and those encounters have lead to a deep respect. In all honesty, I would find it difficult to work with a mentor who supported the Ukrainian Genocide or Revolutionary Justice a la Ché, or Maoist or Khmer Rouge style "reeducation".Being collegial would not be the problem, I just wouldn´t be particularly motivated to do much editing, which would defeat the purpose of mentoring. I am still going to pull a straight Republican ticket come October, I am still Überconservative, and I still think Nixon was our greatest president. But I will hardly be the only editor here who is and does. I also believe that much of my censured behaviour over the last couple of years when looked at individually would not rise to the level of a general consensus of wrong, but when examined globally did and was indeed disruptive. I have had a while to reflect on that.I thank you for having taken the time to respond.--Die4Dixie (talk) 12:58, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

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Die4Dixie, I am strongly impressed that I got an email from you even though I was a very strong supporter of your ban. While I don't want to see anything like a certain post at Talk:The Holocaust again, I am under the impression that you are relatively young and may have learned from the experience. This straw poll to gauge consensus seems to be just that, not an effort to win a point, and that's a good sign. Blocks and bans are meant to be preventative, not punitive. Therefore I am not going to be an obstacle to your returning. However, you will of course be under increased scrutiny, and it's not entirely unlikely that I will ask for you to be banned again at some time in the future. I am hoping for a pleasant surprise, though. Hans Adler 13:16, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

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Pretty much what Hans said above. Looking back, I see that I opposed the community ban, but supported a 6-month block. Since that's more-or-less up, I won't object to a return, should community consensus or ArbCom support it. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 13:22, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

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Although I originally favored a community ban, I agree with JPGordon's assessment that the offensive behavior was, in essence, "more clumsy than deliberately nasty". Statements made via email and on this talkpage lead me to believe that Die4Dixie is honestly trying to turn over a new leaf and participate in a more collegial manner. Despite harboring personal views that I tend to disagree with, D4D is an editor who clearly has the ability to make useful contributions to the project, and could reasonably be given a second chance. I concur that a mentor would probably be beneficial and might help relieve the concerns that some editors still have. Die4Dixie, you seem to be moving in the right direction and I wish you the best, Doc Tropics 15:29, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

If "mentor" will mean "D4D will back down as soon as Jpgordon tells him he's crossed a line", I'd be willing to do that; I wouldn't follow him around and monitor his edits, but I would step in if another user raised concerns to me that the clumsy behavior was returning. --jpgordon 16:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Given the situation, it would be a greater kindness if Jp suggested when I was even approaching a line. I know that you are really too busy to babysit, but would be willing to take advice from several people.--Die4Dixie (talk) 22:39, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Why were you reviewing the BNP page, to catch by chance the fleeting example of obvious vandalism? Whatever your intentions your judgement, as exampled by you noting this matter also, remains suspect. It may not be your problem that trouble finds itself a home in the person of your account, but that does not mean it should be WP's either. Leaning toward "Not yet." LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I had really wondered if they had picked up any seats yet. I am still a British Subject, so I am naturally interested. I thank you for voicing your opinion, even if I disagree with what you are suggesting that looking at the BNP page means.--Die4Dixie (talk) 22:37, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

- I'm not sure if I'm the only one confused, but for those of us uninitiated, could you clarify what BNP is and what the problem is with D4D reviewing it? Thanks. Equazcion 22:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

British Nationalist Party. I objected to some of the sources at one time since they had come from what I truly believed to be unreliable. Late Note: It was the EDL English Defense League where I objected to sources.--Die4Dixie (talk) 22:33, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

To edify further, the British National Party is on the far right of the British political spectrum; they are opposed to immigration by non-white (and non anglo saxon white) people - with a view of encouraging repatriation of non Caucasian British citizens to nations of origin. They would seek to diminish the cultural effects of peoples of "foreign origin" upon the Anglo Saxon British way of life. They are also against the European Community. They purport to support "British values" which they define as being those of the 19th Century British Empire. They stop short of being white supremacist racists, and have abandoned much of their more controversial policies (forced repatriation, limited rights for non white citizens) but are regarded with disdain by the rest of the British establishment - and they did not have a chance of winning a seat in the recent election (though they might under proportional representation). Given the issues with Die4Dixie, noting reviewing the BNP page indicates that they still are unaware of how perceptions might be harmfull. LessHeard vanU (talk) 11:55, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I had notified you by email out of a British and Southern Patrician sense of fair play, and the this has caused a muddying of the well. Your post has subtly linked me to racism without your having directly said here that you believe me to be a racist. I do appreciate your voicing of your opinion, as the purpose of my straw poll was to gauge feeling,so I do thank you. Delving too deeply into those misconceptions is not the goal of the poll, but anyone, including you, is welcome to email me for a thoughtful and measured rebuttal to your comments here and at the December ANI. On a side note, Ira, Irae (A first declension feminine noun) is the Latin for "anger", and would need to be in the ablative case. Since I do not use macrons, one would only notice the difference from the nominative in my pronunciation.--Die4Dixie (talk) 16:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

While I respect the cordial comments made by everyone above, I see no sign that Die4Dixie has understood the original problem. The comment "I was a WP:DICK" might be a say anything to achieve the desired objective attempt from someone who cannot actually understand the original problem. Johnuniq (talk) 23:09, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I think it sums it up. If you could be specific about the original problem´s generative moment, I would email you and dissect the issue with you in detail. The ANI discussions covered several topics. Your mileage might vary from mine as to the point at which I was a dick. If I enumerate each dickish move here, then this will degenerate. The things that each individual sees as context will vary. Please be direct if you have an opinion as to what the original problem was so that I can either agree or disagree. I am not being evasive, but I think my reasons for being circumspect have a certain logic. Inflaming passions long cooled cannot help the project, myself, or the other editors involved here.--Die4Dixie (talk) 23:20, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

(This is in response to an email from this editor) I don't have strong feelings either way so I'd probably support your return but would hope to not see posts like the Holocaust one again. Also, I assume that this will go to a wider forum (AN?) before it becomes a reality. Thank you for the heads up email. --RegentsPark (talk) 02:39, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I had originally stood in the way of the ban on procedural grounds, but I struck this oppose upon my concern being remedied. I also had criticised the block rationales used prior to the ban discussion. That said, on its merits, I neither stood in the way of the ban, nor pushed for the ban. Chances are that I will neither stand in the way of an appeal, nor will I push for the appeal. That would be consistent, even if it helps neither side of the debate. But in any case, thank you for the email. Ncmvocalist (talk) 06:17, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Also emailed by Die4Dixie. I'll say I don't really have any idea if Die4Dixie will meet community expectations if he is reinstated. Nevertheless, I think that, given sufficient time, it is better to give a second chance rather than to try to engage in too much mind reading. For the record, I say this as someone less of the purely "Misplaced Pages is a privilege" view; I think on principle we should presume that people can edit unless it's necessary to prevent them. That said, while discussion can help, I think there remains really only one way to see if someone can meet community standards, which is to let them try. I'd support a continuing ban from everything relating to race relations for another six months (on the theory that all bans, except those involving potential criminality, should have some limit). Mackan79 (talk) 21:33, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

- - Was emailed by D4D. Don't see any value in your return to the community, you were intractable before, and it seems from your comments here that hasn't changed, not really. ThuranX (talk) 22:19, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinion. A more explicit and thoughtful commentary would be appreciated. So far I see myself unwilling to hash out the ANI at this juncture (since this is a straw poll at this point); a willingness to notify everyone who was involved in the discussion, even you; several acknowledgments of worthy contributions in some areas; willingness on my part to be mentored; areas that I might like to edit; and one user´s concern that I looked at the BNP page and identified some vandalism that I had seen there. Could you suggest why you think me "intractable"? Ethereal and nebulous assertions of intractability are notoriously difficult to answer.--Die4Dixie (talk) 23:35, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you are right. You did take the time to notify even your critics, and I did not acknowledge that, I should have. My apologies for the oversight.

As for the more explicit commentary, I think your admission that you do not want to address the ANI issues is enough to support my assessment of your continued intractability. It seems, to me at least, that this is a sign that you don't understand that the community, or a sufficiently vocal and attentive part of it, found your behaviors to be outside the limits of acceptability for a protracted period, during which things did not change, or at least, not change enough.ThuranX (talk) 19:49, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. You might not have seen the last comment that I had made before your last comment at the bottom of the page. I think that 3 users does create a critical mass to go into that area. I have just felt that the straw poll was not the place to do it. I will read up on the policies that deal with requesting "unbans" and address your (collective) concerns. I am under no illusions about the ban and how it came to pass and my direct role and culpability. If you do not have my page watched, please add it. After I close the straw poll, I will open a new section to address some of the specifically enumerated requests, as well as give those who would like to ask direct questions an opportunity to have those answered. If you know that your answer is no way, never, ever, ever, then I will just be mindful of your concerns, but be less likely to deal with them directly unless others voice the same. Any thing else would be an exercise in futility, no?--Die4Dixie (talk) 08:01, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

- - Hello. I was just wondering what have you been indefinitely blocked for?. I was having a look and didn't see anything thats warrants such a Wiki punishment. I sometimes wonder if wikipedia has become a little harsh and unfriendly these day's.--English Bobby (talk) 16:05, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest. You can take a look at my block log and here is a link to the entry at banned users . As far as punishment goes, there are likely some who would use a permanent ban to punish me and axe grind; however, the majority of users who participated in the ANI did so in good faith and honestly believe that my behaviour was disruptive. If you are so inclined, I will let you look through my edits, the ANI discussions, and my block log and decide for yourself if you think that a reinstatement of editing privileges would be something that you would support or oppose.--Die4Dixie (talk) 23:18, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

- - I too was invited to comment. I agree that the ideal would be as Nathan has put it, for D4D to effectively do a public confession of past crimes in order to be sure that he understand them and won't repeat (existing responses, e.g. Please be direct if you have an opinion as to what the original problem was so that I can either agree or disagree, make me slightly queasy that he still doesn't understand why he was banned). However, this is unlikely. Failing that, an unblock conditional on the usual kind of harsh restrictions: stick clear of certain articles, do nothing contentious, strictly avoid talk page arguements. I think that D4D should make a clear statement as to what editing restrictions he would propose William M. Connolley (talk) 08:01, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. There seems to be sufficient interest in certain public declarations that I might need to reevaluate my reluctance to delve to deeply into that area.--Die4Dixie (talk) 14:31, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Request

By a consensus of the interested community, I was banned from Misplaced Pages over a year ago. If there are such editors who are in agreement with the sentiments set forth in WP:SO who would be willing to extend the standard offer, I would be grateful. I shall not engage in the behavior that lead to that decision. --Die4Dixie (talk) 13:58, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Since it was a community ban, the community needs to decide on the question. I've raised it on AN/I for you. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:22, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. That is exactly what I meant by my request: That someone post so that the community might discuss.--Die4Dixie (talk) 14:25, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

BMK is asking for clarification on your statement above. Can you expand a bit, per his concerns? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

My request is for the standard offer and those who do not believe in it are welcomed not to and to express it. I do not think an auto de fe is appropriate, as I wish to avoid drama. If a year is not enough for the community, then I will make the request at 6 month intervals until I die or such time has elapsed that a consensus of editors would be willing to extend the standard offer. If the avoidance of drama costs me the goodwill of a handful of editors, then I will have to accept that.--Die4Dixie (talk) 14:47, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I will consult with a trusted administrator for his opinion about this and follow his advice. This might take a minute, since he is a busy man, and after a year, there is no burning rush. I have reinstated a straw poll that I did 6 months ago for those who are interested--Die4Dixie (talk) 14:57, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

email to Jehochman

Jehochman, I feel from your previous unfounded accusations of sockpuppeting after last years ARBCOM elections and the comments about my voting that it might be appropriate for you to disengage after making your opinion known. My sincere hope is that on wiki contact with you can be avoided at all costs were I reinstated. Enough editors and admins know my real life identity, perhaps you do as well, such that requests for my private hobbies and personal interests are inappropriate and not material to the discussion at hand. If it makes you feel any better, If I were to return, I would go to superhuman lengths to avoid any type of contact with you in any venue and my sincere hope would be that, if not to the degree that I am willing to go, you might reciprocate in a least some small manner. Respectfully, D4D

To allow the community to judge it without third hand reports. My hope is to avoid drama, not contribute to it.--Die4Dixie (talk) 16:34, 7 December 2010 (UTC)