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Request

Hello. Chesdovi, identified as a pro-west, pro-Israel editor was recently topic banned from I-A for a lengthy period. Other editors with similar views such as Wikifan12345, AgadaUrbanit, Mbz1, Shuki, Gilabrand and Shrike as well myself (as you well know) have been subjected to similar bans. Incidentally, some of those editors were banned as a result of the efforts of Passionless, a notorious sock puppeteer. Regardless, A serious imbalance has now been created in the in this topic area leaving elements with radical pro-Syrian, Pro-Hezbollah, pro-Hamas, pro-Iranian viewpoints, dominating. Even if you lifted my ban now, I am too busy with RL to edit productively. I therefore have just one request. Please monitor the topic area carefully and take a proactive approach to editors seeking to gain some advantage by lack of countervailing views resulting from several bans affecting almost exclusively editors identified with the Western camp. Thank you.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 03:04, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in Jiujitsuguy, and I'm not a fan of long blocks at AE, but I disagree. There is an imbalance but not the kind you describe. There are far more editors trying to counter a perceived imbalance (often mistakenly) or fight some kind of information war here than there are who just dispassionately follow the sources so that articles actually comply with policy. There are plenty of editors who could reasonably be characterized as "pro-west, pro-Israel" happily editing unimpeded in the topic area; Reenem, Soosim, Biosketch, NMMNG, Cptnono, Marokwitz, Jalapenos do exist, nsaum75 , Brewcrewer, Broccolo, (I could go on and on,) and there are always, and I mean always, at least one and often more long term sockpuppeteers editing in the topic area and there are always a whole bunch of racist zealots with throwaway accounts or IPs disrupting things in the topic area and abusing editors. You worry too much. The topic area shouldn't be a balance of forces anyway, it's only an encyclopedia with some rules. People seem to forget. Removing all the people you find troublesome won't change what the reliable sources say. I'm confident that even if I-P topic area content were generated by a highly intelligent wiki-rules based robot that could find the highest quality RS and construct content that objectively and measurably maximized policy compliance, many people would no doubt be calling it a radical pro-Palestinian activist or a Zionist hasbara propagandist. Such is life. Sean.hoyland - talk 03:58, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm not active in AE and so won't be monitoring anybody or anything. No editor should self-identify, or be identifiable from their writings as, pro- or anti-anything.  Sandstein  05:06, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

For the record, I am not "happily editing in the topic area". I find it more difficult by the day to bring myself to participate in this cesspool of bias and double standards. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 10:28, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Good point, I apologise. Sean.hoyland - talk 10:40, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Sandstein, all I asked was for vigilance and that’s it. In the absence of any other recent interpretation, I relied on the interpretation of Courcelles concerning the parameters of the ban. Do you think I would have left you of all people this message had I known that there would be a problem? For more than four months I have scrupulously adhered to the provisions of the ban. Considering my strict adherence to the ban, the fact that I only have two months left and in light of Courcelles' interpretation, please AGF.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 12:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Question

Hi Sandstein, I'd like to ask you a question please. Here at Amazons.com they sell my image for £4.99. I am very sure they sell other images they took from commons as well. They did give me credit and printed license information in the "Technical Details" sections, but they definitely not linked to my web site as it is required by the license (You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor ), and I am sure they do not provide any information about the license on the sold images.I always grant a permission to use my images for free, if I am asked to, but I do not really like finding them on the NET by an accident. Do you believe I have a case here? Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:43, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

That's something you need to ask an (American) lawyer, I'm afraid. I can't give you competent legal advice about this.  Sandstein  16:58, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I actually asked you as an administrator and not as a lawyer.

I'd like to ask you one more question please. Let's say somebody made a painting of a this image of a camouflaged fish I took. May I upload the painting to wikipedia (of course giving the artist name) or I should have the artist permission and go through normal OTRS process to do this?--Mbz1 (talk) 05:25, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

I prefer not to give legal-sounding advice.  Sandstein  05:35, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

That's OK, but once again I asked you not as a lawyer but as an administrator and OTRS volunteer.--Mbz1 (talk) 06:01, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2011 June 22#Category:16th-century Palestinian rabbis

Hi Sandstein. Thank you for closing Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2011 June 22#Category:16th-century Palestinian rabbis. I believe your closing rationale should say "Refer to CfD" instead of "Refer to CSD". Would you make this correction?

Also, when you close DRVs as relist, would you include a link to the new discussion? Something like:

Refer to CfD

Thanks, Cunard (talk) 22:36, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

OK.  Sandstein  05:36, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Debreser intends on sabotaging the outcome. What should I do? User talk:Timotheus Canens#Chesdovi, see User talk:Chesdovi#Your topic ban and our disagreement. Chesdovi (talk) 14:58, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Chesdovi, you must not make wide-ranging severe allegations against others without convincing proof in the form of diffs, or you may face sanctions for personal attacks. I see nothing in the links you provide that constitutes "sabotage" on the part of Debresser. After looking at your talk page, I note that you have previously been sanctioned for topic-related misconduct and warned against making personal attacks. Do not repeat this.  Sandstein  16:01, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Debreser wants to close the discussion without me, as Bio told Debresser on my talkpage not to "exploit AE to suppress debate and create facts on the ground in controversial articles." Debresser, after initially saying this discussion did not fall under the topic ban has now alerted TC to it hoping to stop my participation in it.. Chesdovi (talk) 16:22, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for re-listing St Bridget Catholic Church

But it looks like the church isn't mentioned often enough in easily available RSs. I kept a copy of the article in my sandbox hoping someday I stumble across better evidence. Regards. --Kenatipo 16:00, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Dump of The One-Above-All

I liked the article "One-Above-All", the article about the all-powerful being of Marvel Comics universe that was deleted. I was wondering if you could give the XML dump of the article to me? --Melab±1 ☎ 16:58, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

There is an article about this at One Above All.  Sandstein  17:31, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

OTRS check

Dear Sandstein, I found your name from here as a German language understanding user in OTRS. I have come ehre with a request, can you please verify the authenticity of the ticket in File:Madonna Live 8 - 3.jpg? Really it would be of great help. — Legolas 12:45, 5 July 2011 (UTC)