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Source validity & reverts

Hi Malik, I seem to be having an issue with another editor that continues to revert and delete sourced material in favor of his wording, here, https://en.wikipedia.org/Saint_George Lazyfoxx (talk) 15:05, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Malik, please read the full discussion between Lazyfoxx and myself here, here and here. If you could provide a third opinion here I would very much appreciate it. Cheers, —  Cliftonian (talk)  15:28, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi Lazyfoxx and Cliftonian. I'll review the background and get back to you over the next couple of days. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 02:33, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Malik. —  Cliftonian (talk)  02:35, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Please note the deletion of a reliable source three times, here, here, and here., on an article that may be in the scope of the I/P area due to the content being discussed. Lazyfoxx (talk) 18:37, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
I did not delete reliable sources. On each occasion I replaced the two source footnotes Lazyfoxx added with a larger bundle of sources (with the ref name parameter "origins") including both of the sources he had added (Guiley and Maloney). No source information was actually removed on any of these occasions. —  Cliftonian (talk)  18:41, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification, but the issue remains of your constant reverting to the wording you see fit, when a reliable source clearly states it the way I had it. Lazyfoxx (talk) 19:59, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
With respect, I do not see what happened the same way. I will wait for outside views. Thank you for your patience Lazyfoxx. —  Cliftonian (talk)  20:34, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

81.151.31.35

Good evening, MS: When you have a moment, could I trouble you to lend a hand with the above IP? He has been edit warring on the Eustace Mullins page; I put a warning template on his talk page, which he ignored, and then reverted my revert, mocking my edit summary just to be a bit more obnoxious about it. Others reverted him before me, and I'm now at 2RR on this, so we need an admin to step in. Thanks, DoctorJoeE /talk to me! 00:59, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi DoctorJoeE. I've blocked the editor for violating 3RR. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 01:52, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Appreciate it, as always -- but now we apparently have a sock -- 81.151.30.82 -- geolocates to same town in central UK -- messing with the same article, and also commenting on another admin's talk page that "WP is run by masonic zionist shills". Wow, I had no idea. You learn something every day. DoctorJoeE /talk to me! 13:43, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
The things you can learn on Misplaced Pages. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 17:08, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Enlightening, but confusing — only recently, over at talk: Andrew Wakefield, I was informed that our Medicine Project is controlled by pharma shills; but I can't seem to get a piece of that action. It would be lovely if some drug company were willing to pay me to add new or updated information, cite reliable sources, disabuse people of misinformation, copy-edit — that is, what I do here already, for free — but that recruiter never calls. Bugger. DoctorJoeE /talk to me! 18:01, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
If you figure out how to get Big Pharma to pay you for editing Misplaced Pages, please let me know. I'd love to be a part of that.
Or maybe we should get Zionist Pharma to bankroll us, and keep all the crazies happy. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 03:02, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Cool! A Taro rep is coming by the office tomorrow -- but then, Taro is a subsidiary of Sun, which is based in Mumbai -- does that nullify its "Zionist" credentials? I'm so confused!! DoctorJoeE /talk to me! 08:06, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 12 August 2015

Attacking socks

Hi there. I'm thinking of opening an SPI just for the record. This is because two new accounts have recently come up and it may be best to tie them together and to alert userpage patrollers and AfC workers.

All are blocked. This is the group/individual recreating an attack page on a certain individual. Content from the very first draft to the latest has content that shows they are related.

The first 2 in 2012
Early 2015
Recent

I haven't filed the SPI yet because you blocked Jeanthefact as LTA, so I'm wondering who the master is. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:05, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Anna. I remember these folks and their archenemy. I'm not sure who the master is, but in April CactusWriter created Category:Suspected Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Jeanthefact. Maybe there was some reason CactusWriter thought Jeanthefact was the master. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 04:01, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. I'll wait to see if/how CactusWriter responds here before proceeding. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:08, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi Malik and Anna. I think that I ran across this group while patrolling a G10 speedy tag on the page for User:Factreveal -- and saw an edit summary from the tagger, Tarc, that the page was created by a known "Navid Khiabani-LizCheney" troll. A quick search probably led me to User:Jeanthefact and the comments by Anna on their talk page and the obvious duck nature of this group's edits. So I tagged them and created a sock category for future information. (I set Jeanthefact as the master because it was the oldest account -- but, obviously, the David1350 account that Anna uncovered is older.) Given that more socks have arisen, I think its a good idea to create an SPI file. I found another -- User:Truthabout2014 -- today. — CactusWriter 18:01, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi CactusWriter. Thanks for the comprehensive feedback. Okay, I'll file the SPI. Also, because of the attcking nature of the drafts, and persistence, maybe an edit filter would be a good plan. Maybe User:Samwalton9 could set one up. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:42, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/David1350

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:57, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Anna. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 01:36, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for setting that up, Anna. I went ahead and switched the sock tags to the new puppeteer. — CactusWriter 02:32, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks CactusWriter. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 03:01, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you both! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:37, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Admin edit war

How is it that your version of DeWayne McKnight is so much better that you are edit warring over it? You should self-revert. The Dissident Aggressor 17:29, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Excuse me? The phrase "Selected discography" is standard (and encyclopedic). "Incomplete discography", your phrase, is just WP:POINTy—as was your attempt to attribute it to me. Pull that shit again and I'll block you. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 04:10, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Ebony Ayes for deletion

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Luca Gasparotto

Hi there.

Could you please reload this page (Luca Gasparotto) so I can edit it? He has now signed on loan with my club Morton and has played in the Scottish Championship so is eligible for a Wiki article.

Cheers. Salty1984 (talk) 22:37, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Salty1984. I'm not an expert in football, but it looks like Luca Gasparotto now satisfies the relevant notability guideline. I've unprotected the page so a new biography of Gasparotto can be written. If you'd like, I can restore the last version of the article that was deleted, but it would be preferable for somebody to write a new article. Let me know if you want the old version restored. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 23:40, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Cheers Malik. I've made the page and fully referenced it. Salty1984 (talk) 09:54, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

@Salty1984: - I've restored the history as well. GiantSnowman 10:41, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello Malik, thanks for your note that said 'we appreciate encyclopedic contributions, but some of your recent contributions, such as your edit to the page Antisemitism, seem to be advertising or for promotional purposes.' It is correct that I try to promote by book by giving exact references to it. If you think it is not appropriate, feel free to delete them. The rationale of my promotion is to inform readers about my central points on relevant pages without having to pay for the books. Nevertheless, again, if this is not welcome, I will not continue feeding on the topics of my expertise. Best wishesSpartakus123 (talk) 11:35, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Blocked for personal attacks

An experienced editor such as yourself knows that personal attacks such as this and this are completely unacceptable.

I have blocked you for 2 days. Please do not act in such an abusive fashion in the future. Chillum 23:32, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Brad can call me a liar, say my editing is disruptive, and call me "sonny boy", but I can't respond? What the fuck is next, calling Black people on Misplaced Pages niggers?
Single-purpose accounts like Brad are a cancer on this project, but you would rather coddle him than deal with the problem.
Fine. (Personal attack refactored). — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 00:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Malik, you need to cut it out. Like, right now. This isn't right and you know it. Revoking TPA is next. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 00:25, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Go ahead. What do I need it for?
(Personal attack refactored) — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 00:29, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
I did, at ANI. I guess you chose to disregard it in your roaring rampage of revenge. Well, that rampage stops now. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 00:32, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I can't believe anything I'm reading here. Over the years I've watched Malik absorb some of the most vicious personal attacks I've ever seen with the utmost restraint and professionalism. Call me crazy, but are we sure that his account hasn't been hacked? Just a thought. DoctorJoeE /talk to me! 00:37, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
I was thinking the exact same thing. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 00:41, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
For better or for worse, me too. This is extremely out of character. I hope everything is OK with you in RL, Malik. -- Avi (talk) 00:42, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Ditto here. I've always respected you for being one of the more level-headed admins dealing with some of our more contentious material. I also hope that this situation, whether it is account takeover or just apparently extremely stressful outside concerns, like the beginning of school?, resolves itself shortly. You are too valuable to us in your other efforts here to be someone we could easily afford to miss. John Carter (talk) 01:10, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
In additional to the comments on here after you were blocked, this is a blatant misuse of your administrative tool while blocked. As such, I have extended your block to 1 week. -- KTC (talk) 00:43, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Given the passage of time, I've restored talkpage access, as restricting that access should be a last resort and hopefully is no longer necessary (if indeed it ever was). Hopefully enough time has passed that any edits made here will now be appropriate. Given that the matter is now before ArbCom, it is also important that you should be able to post a statement here if you so wish. WJBscribe (talk) 12:39, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Malik Shabazz

A request for arbitration has been filed relating to you. --ceradon (talk • edits) 01:25, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Please email arbcom

Please contact the Arbitration Committee at arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org at your earliest convenance. For the Arbitration Committee, -Guerillero | Parlez Moi 01:32, 18 August 2015 (UTC)


Level 1 desysop of Malik Shabazz

Under the Level 1 desysopping procedures the administrator permissions of Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) have been temporarily removed. This is temporary until the entire Committee has had time to review the situation. Discussion is continuing at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case at the present time.

Supporting: Courcelles, Guerillero, GorillaWarfare, Seraphimblade, and LFaraone.

For the Arbitration Committee;

Courcelles (talk) 02:22, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Calming words

The "soft bunny" of happiness and tranquility.

Hello, my friend. I hope you are feeling better. Wow, did you ever let fly. I'm trying to understand what hit such a nerve. Maybe being African-American and being called "sonny boy". I'd absolutely hit the bloody roof if it were me. Maybe something else off-Misplaced Pages that was aggravating you. Whatever it was, and despite that I hate swearing and I have very strong views on civility, especially for admins, I feel your extraordinary tolerance and goodness here for so many years trumps a single, albeit doozy of a flip-out. So, don't worry about the blocks and temporary desysopping. They had to do it (the blocks at least) and they are your friends. I hope and trust that all will be well again, and back to the way it was forever onward. --Anna

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:18, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

I've added the "soft bunny" of happiness and tranquility. It is the most calming bunny picture there is. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:27, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Hmmmm, not a bad bunny, very cute. Malik, some good zingers there (if it indeed was you), Phil Ochs would have soon put them into lyrical form and added a folky tune. Perhaps you can let the stuff here roll off your back for a week (and soak the ground with words, concepts, and liquefied policy discussions), a good part of summer to be away from the computer too. Maybe all Wikipedians should take August off, following the example of Parisians and other artists and mal(ik)contents. I like seeing all the love flowing your way, so that's a very good thing to occur from this. Enjoy the cool (hot) breezes, Randy Kryn 12:58, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
I guess the best way to think about this is an electronic version of a "time out". Thank goodness the yahoo who lit the fuse was blocked as well. As another admin has pointed out elsewhere, the First Rule of Misplaced Pages is very appropriate here: If you wrestle with a pig, both of you will get muddy. And the pig will enjoy it. The Second Rule too: Ignorance is infinite, patience is finite. DoctorJoeE /talk to me! 13:33, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Retired

Retired This user is no longer active on Misplaced Pages.

Thank you to everyone who has had kind words to say, either here or at the ArbCom page, but I learned a valuable lesson yesterday: a troll can call a Black man "sonny boy" on Misplaced Pages with impunity. (Frankly, I'm surprised none of the jackasses at AN/I gave the bastard a barnstar.) I'm sorry it took me eight years, eight months, and four days to learn that. — MShabazz /Stalk 13:50, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Some kittens for you!
Please, please don´t. We need you. Seriously! Lots of hugs (and kittens!), Huldra (talk) 14:14, 18 August 2015 (UTC) (PS: Btw, for what it is worth: I pretty much agree with what Sean.hoyland said at the WP:ARB-page)
May we convince you to consider a long-term wikibreak instead of a retirement? For better or for worse, Misplaced Pages is as much a social construct as it is an educational construct, and just like life, there have been, are, and will be instances that will cause each and every one of us pain. It's probably worse. For example, I've been called racist and anti-semitic many more times on Misplaced Pages than in real life. Usually, I deal with that by simply recognizing that how someone relates to me is more indicative of them than it is of me (for good or ill) but I can easily appreciate that there are issues that carry with them an extra amount of pain. Take all the time you need to re-equilibrate, but I believe the project would be the poorer for your loss, and would hope you decide to continue, eventually, to volunteer your time and expertise to the project sometime in the future. Good luck and G-d bless! -- Avi (talk) 14:21, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Malik, I also hope you'll reconsider. But I also get it, and would fully understand if you decide to move on. May 5776 be a happy, healthy and prosperous year for you! StevenJ81 (talk) 14:26, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Retire...for at least a week (or August, aye, the month of retirement and/or relaxation). I fully expect to see you back, so enjoy your time away. Let this be a Rehearsals for Retirement and not the real thing for sure. Randy Kryn 14:30, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
I too get it; I would only make the observation that in the past you've shrugged off worse insults and carried on, so please think about returning after a good, relaxing wikivacation. The lesson I learned yesterday is that a petty, one-issue troll can drive off one of our best admins in a single day. That is disquieting -- and not at all a good prognostic sign for WP's long-term health. DoctorJoeE /talk to me! 14:42, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Wow this is messed up. I very much hope you stay. Perfectly understand if you don't. Good luck either way.Volunteer Marek (talk) 14:58, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Malik, I recommend you grab some sunshine and clean air for a few weeks, then come back and continue the good work you are so well known for. See you in September! Binksternet (talk) 15:26, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Get up, dust yourself off and get back on the horse. The best fuck you is resilience. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 14:53, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Gaza Strip (film)

(moved to Talk:Gaza Strip (film)) StevenJ81 (talk) 16:19, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Unblocked

Malik, I've unblocked you. Not because what you did or said yesterday wasn't problematic, but because (as I say in the block log) everyone is allowed to snap once every 8 years, particularly when their buttons are so expertly being pushed. Thank you for those 8 years, and I hope you decide to return. I hope your admin bit is returned too; I'm reasonably confident that you could get it back by simply acknowledging that un-revdeling a comment while blocked was a bad move that you won't repeat, without needing to actually make a false apology. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:27, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Malik, you tread in topic areas I don't know anything about and would be terrified to step in giving the extreme hassle people who try and keep things on track like yourself come across. I'm hoping to convince everyone this was just a one-off and you snapped, and hopefully we'll get you back up to full speed too. Ritchie333 16:55, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

You know, having taken a risk and unblocked you in the hope of de-escalationg things, Floq deserved better than this. I hope you feel like coming back in due course when tempers have calmed, but at the moment you're just harming those who have continued to stand by you through this episode. The only person who decides whether or not Brad Dyer succeeds in driving you off Misplaced Pages is you. Judging by his edits to date, he's not going to be around very long one way or another. WJBscribe (talk) 17:28, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

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