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Please Place a NPOV TAG on the Peter Roskam Page ASAP PLEASE!

I am wondering if there will be any changes allowed at the Roskam page?

In the mean time, I would like you, since you locked the article, to add a tag to the page indicating that there is an on going NPOV dispute about this article. Let it be known that I am disputing the NPOV of the Roskam article.

Considering some of the issues I have pointed out at the , a

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tag placed on top of the Peter Roskam page would be most appropriate. The Peter Roskam article, as it sits, has to many sections, which any reasonable person could call in the question, the relevancy, accuracy and as well as the lack of poor or no citations for the pov assertions many of sections in that article make. The Roskam article appears, as I have read them, not to conform to the Wikipdia standards for living persons; is not encyclopedic in it's tone, and many of the assertions made in the article have flawed logic backing them. Until this NPOV Dispute is resolved, Please place the POV tag on this article.

ThanksJoehazelton 16:19, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


Peter Roskam

FYI I wonder if those comments could be removed as personal attacks. — goethean ॐ 14:35, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for locking the page, now we have a still target to discuss. I will, in the next few days go line by line and discuss this page. I am willing to be very nice and hope the other editors "BE NICE" too.

I have been in contact with User:Jahiegel to help me in this. Thank youJoehazelton 20:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


Request for Comment:Clay Shaw

I'm asking for an Rfc on the Clay Shaw page regarding the Max Holland article. Please comment. Ramsquire 17:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

trying to avoid an edit war

could you take a look at the recent edits of Jojouka.

http://en.wikipedia.org/The_master_musicians_of_Jajouka

I have a couple of users who feel that the commercial link they placed on several different articles is ethical and should not have been removed. Thanks, and have a great weekend. Rsm99833 20:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I've removed the link advertising the CD and I'll be watching the article in case it pops up again. Gamaliel 20:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Please note my edit history. They're placing the link on other pages as well. Thanks again.Rsm99833 20:44, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Gammers

Please unblock Gammers (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). That is just his last name. Fred Bauder 21:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Has he provided proof of this? I find it difficult to believe that two days after someone impersonating me on the Joe Scarborough article attempts to restart an edit war there, a Mr. Gammers appears and heads straight for that article (and no others) and makes extremely similar edits. For over a year I've been the victim of a vicious vandal who has attacked me because of my editorial position on this article (see the deleted edits on my user talk page for some examples) and I believe this is the same person attempting to get at me again. Gamaliel 21:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to have bothered you without researching this more. this edit is good for an indefinite block. Fred Bauder 11:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Commercial Link

Sorry to bother you again, but I'm on the road (going to Las Vegas) and cannot follow proper protocol. Could you make a call or send this one up for consideration as if it belongs here or not-

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=6_Degrees_from_Truth&diff=prev&oldid=67578886


Again, sorry for any inconveniences. Have a good weekend. Rsm99833 07:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Vandalism

When you take it upon yourself to undo the work of two other editors who negotiated and compromised to include something that is based in reality, and not wikiality, then yes, I call that vandalism. The fact is that conservative bloggers DO use that alternate definition all the time. If you go to Conservative Underground and ask what swiftboating means, you will get that answer repeatedly. EECEE felt that blogs were not a reliable source, so I came up with those other three sources. He picked the t-shirt one to use. I'm not going to continue an edit war, but you have your head stuck up a dark hole if you refuse to believe that "swiftboating" means something other than the definition that you approve of. Crockspot 20:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Your little warning about personal attacks is bogus. I made an equivocal statement, the outcome of which is determined by your ability to discern your own bias from reality. Are you going to address my concerns, or are you just going to play wiki games? Crockspot 20:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
As I said, that was an equivocal statement that is only true if you are unable to separate bias from reality. I assume that you ARE able to make that distinction, therefore the statement would not be true. You are well known for using the wiki rules to get your way. I hope you are proud of the fact that you have supressed a bit of valid information about a term that is actually used, and done it within the rules of Misplaced Pages. I would report you for a 3RR violation, but since we both made the same number of edits, I'll let it go. But feel free to continue to post warnings. Crockspot 20:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Well now who is resorting to personal attacks? The fact remains that the alternate definition that I added to the article is widely used among conservative bloggers, and you have supressed it. Your verbal assault on my talk page, as well as your prediction that I will be banned from WP, only confirms to me that you have an agenda to pursue. I have a prediction of my own. The definition that you have called "bullshit" will get back in the article eventually, either through an acceptable publishing, or through a modification of the RS rules. You are not the only one who knows how to work the system around here. I may not have been around as long as you, but I suspect that I am quicker on the uptake. It's been a pleasure getting under your skin. Crockspot

16:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

So you insult and attack everyone in sight, and when someone responds in a way that can be interpreted as even the slightest bit uncivil, you attempt to take the moral high ground. How typical. If you're going to reinact the troll playbook, please don't waste any more of my time. Gamaliel 16:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Now you're just overexaggerating. If you really have looked over my edit history, you will see that I have a civil working relationship with BenBurch, who is a bitter enemy of mine outside of WP, and also worked out a civil compromise with an editor who could have potentially conflicted with me on the Ava Lowery article. If you go back and examine the first interaction between you and I, you will see that YOUR edit history was the first to use the term "bs". Perhaps you should examine your own attitudes, and how they contribute to the attitudes that you receive back. Namecalling is not a good trait for an admin. Crockspot 16:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Excellent work. You have this tactic down pretty well, so you might actually fool someone. You accuse everyone in sight of bias and vandalism and then you have the chutzpah to attempt to claim the moral high ground. Impressive! Gamaliel 16:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. (curtsy). Now, can we start getting along? Crockspot 17:01, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
If you are sincere about this, sure. You can start by refraining from accusing people of vandalism and bias. Gamaliel 17:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Allrighty then. Consider me being haved. Crockspot 17:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Hardly. Reverting the edits of blocked users is standard procedure. Gamaliel 16:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Of a user's talk page? Please. Your attempt to hide the information from me failed. Crockspot 16:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh, please. *eyeroll* Give up the conspiracy theory. I could have deleted the edit from the page history with my administrative powers and you never would have known it existed. No one is trying to "hide" anything from you. If you want to follow the dubious advise of a blocked user, go for it, but it won't get you anywhere but blocked yourself. Gamaliel 17:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

How does one archive a discussion?

Looking at the JFK assassination page, I think it is time to do one. But I don't know how. Ramsquire 22:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

How did you reach your decision? RPJ 23:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I received a message on the top of the page saying "This page is 126 kilobytes long. This may be longer than is preferable." Ramsquire 23:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Unprotect of my User: and User_talk pages

It's been almost a year. Can you unprotect these now? I promise, I will behave 99% of the time. 67.18.109.218 01:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

VandalSniper

You've been approved to use VandalSniper. Please let me know if you have any problems getting it working. --Chris (talk) 03:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

For reverting my user talk page after Tchadienne's edit. I think he has problems and may need help. I doubt that editing Misplaced Pages is good for him just now. Anyway, thanks for your help. --Guinnog 11:30, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


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Jim Garrison

Hi. Thanks for your edits. I edited the Jim Garrison article, including putting back some of the material you removed. The reason was that this version left almost no information at all about the Clay Shaw/Kennedy assasination case, which certainly is what Garrison is most famous for. Making the article more factual and more in line with NPOV is welcome. I encourage you to explain what the specific problems are with material you remove. I think the article needs more info on the famous case. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 20:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

See my note at Talk:Jim Garrison. Thanks, -- Infrogmation 20:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick import

Refering to John Trumbull (poet). Added more links/pages off the 1911 text. Sidetracked by researching colonial american newspapers. My head is spinning. :) Electrawn 20:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Peter Roskam

Hello. At the Peter Roskam page there were several disputes, which lead to you protecting the page. I have no problem with that; however, there is an edit that I was hoping you could make on my behalf. I've posted my propsed addition at Talk:Peter Roskam / . In my opinion there should be a discussion of the O'Hare Airport issue. I appreciate your help. Propol 02:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Abuse

I know we have not agreed (although we have agreed once) but I am asking you for help. SBHarris is going over the top and definitely needs someone in a position like yourself to have a word with him. His answers to simple qustions are always long, lacking in paragraphs, have POVs, and worst of all, are extremely insulting. I know it has been said that a third party, or deceased, is "nuts", but attacking other editors so personally is attrocious. I think you may empathise with me on this one... Thanks. andreasegde 13:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you provide some specific examples of behavior which violates policy? He's been a bit hotheaded, but then so have we all on those articles. RPJ's lowered the bar of civility and we've all stepped over the line a bit. I'd need something pretty serious if I'm going to single him out above everyone else. Gamaliel 13:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
It´s respecting Misplaced Pages´s rules of editing. "Be nice", as it says. andreasegde 21:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Moved from deletion vote

Figured this was not relevant, so I moved it here, if you mind, you can revert:

Grand, we have the conservative POV warrior circuit here voting now, what I called the neo-conservative cabal before. User:Gamaliel, User:CJK, User:TDC, User:MONDO were is User:172? Travb (talk) 22:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I've been accused of being a liberal POV warrior plenty of times, but this is first time I've been labeled a conservative POV warrior. Interesting that you draft me into a cabal that would hate my guts. One fellow member you listed called me an asshole during an edit war. But I guess that's in the past. When should I expect my cabal membership card in the mail? Gamaliel 22:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
  • As a neo-conservative cabalite and member of the VRWC Wiki Editors Guild, I can confirm that Gamaliel is most certainly NOT a member of our Guild. :) Crockspot 17:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
LOL User:Gamaliel that is the problem with broad labels like this, you are bound to make mistakes, and look like a fool, like I just did LOL. I vaguely remember some of your edits, I must remember them incorrectly, sorry. Some of these users love to be called witty names like "neo-con Cabal" etc. It gives them a sense of importance maybe, I don't know. One of these users once told me in no uncertain terms he was not a "neo-con" but he works actively with the "neo-cons" all the time. So I will have to go back through our edits together. I have seen some editors proudly list all of the partisan names they have been called on their wikipages. Again, sorry User:Gamaliel for putting you in this group, you can list this label on your talk page if you want. I can move this discussion to our talk page. Actually I will do this right now.Travb (talk) 23:11, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


Well, Gamaliel, as a Charter Member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (Member No. 31) here's the info: annual membership fee: $50000. For those leaving the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy, however, the membership fee is waived as long as you turn over your user name and password to the VLWC's computers. Upon receipt of the fee or information, you'll get your hat, tee-shirt, and complete Ann Coulter library. PainMan 13:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Copyright

I am going to add citations to the hannity page, there has been alot of vandalism, and im trying to fix the page. It would be great if you would remove your post from my talk page so I can finish this stuff. --Zonerocks 21:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

You don't "fix" the page by inserting his biography from the Fox News web page and I don't see how my post on your talk page would interfere with your editing. Gamaliel 21:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
It does. Do you think neal Bootrz actually said wear blue ribbons to promote the beating of rodney king?? This a horrible page, and don't change it again. --Zonerocks 17:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC) P.S. That is a very POV page and Im making it NPOV. Let's stick with that. Don't forget there is citations.
I make no claims about the quality or accuracy of the material you wish to remove. I merely oppose your insertion of a copyright Fox News promotional biography. Gamaliel 17:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Swift vet article

I made a slight NPOV adjustment to the blatantly POV edit that you reverted. I suggest you check the "Alleged debunking of SBVT assertions" section of the article's discussion page to understand where I am coming from. Related to this syndrome, I will remind you that John Kerry had a recollection seared.. SEARED.. into his memory, of being sent to Cambodia by Richard Nixon, at a time when Nixon was not even President yet. Cherry-picking minor discrepancies in the 35 year old recollections of decorated combat vets does nothing to discredit their core assertions. Crockspot 17:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, try again. The factual inaccuracies were proven. The connections to the GOP were proven. Gamaliel 17:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Your reply was so quick, I must assume that you refuse to read what I wrote in on the talk page. The factual inaccuracies are common to all Vietnam vet recollections. They are irrelevant to the core assertions. I will post here what I wrote there. "I lost a family member in a helicopter crash in Vietnam in 1970, near FSB Ripcord. I've spent the last five years researching the crash, gathering accounts from about twenty different men who had either direct or second hand knowledge of the event. I also had access to official records. What I found was that, in the minute details of their accounts, not one man's story jived completely with any others, or with the official records. But I did find that the general essence of their stories matched, even with the official record. When you ask a man to remember an event that occurred 35 years ago, and that event occurred in a war zone, where one's sense of time is distorted even at the time, you are going to get minor discrepancies in the details. In my own researh, after discovering other events that occurred in the various units around the same time, I was able to account for these discrepancies as details being confused with other events, and just bad recollection. While they all told slightly different tales, the important story was all the same. About 250 highly decorated Vietnam Vets participated with the SBVT, and I am not surprised that some of the details of their accounts turned out to be wrong. "Debunkers" have found these discrepancies, and use them to discredit the entire SBVT story. However, I have seen no "debunking" that does not fall into this "minute detail" category. The main assertions of "Unfit for Command" have not been disproven. Crockspot 17:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)" Crockspot 17:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Not refuse, I simply didn't notice it yet, but I will read it now that you have brought it to my attention. Gamaliel 17:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. I'll look into getting you a cabal discount. Crockspot 17:34, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Sean Hannity

Your revert of User:Tregoweth on this article reinserted poorly linked (external links instead of wikilinks) and copyrighted material (a cut and paste job from the Fox News website) originally inserted by User:Zonerocks. I'm sure this was an innocent mistake, but please be more careful when you dive into an edit war. Gamaliel 16:28, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

It was indeed an unintended mistake...and I wasn't aware of either an edit war or a copyright vio there. I simply noticed a blanket reversion involving a whole bunch of text in many different paragraphs with no edit summary explaining why. The previous version seemed reasonable so I felt, at the minimum, a reason should be given for reverting. Maybe, in the spirit of Misplaced Pages and trying to improve an article, it would have been better to simply convert the links to wikilinks and delete or rework the copyrighted stuff instead of reverting to a stagnant old version. Anyway, what's done is done. I'll check the edit history more thoroughly on that article when User:Zonerocks is involved. Perhaps you should also leave User:Tregoweth a note encouraging him/her to use edit summaries when making seemingly major changes to an article.--WilliamThweatt 17:50, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

USF Health

No, our contribution is not a press release. Everything we wrote was a verifiable fact. Health is a major part of USF now. The fact that there is no mention of it on the page, was a glaring ommision, that makes the article, dated, and inacurate. I am sorry that our hard work and research offended you.

Ken DeRoche & Edward Saint-Ivan

Swiftboating revisited

Hi Gamaliel. I wanted to revisit the alternate definition of Swiftboating with you. We butted heads a while back over the use of t-shirts being sold at Cafe Press as a source. You came down pretty hard on me over it. I notice that the Fitzmas article also uses t-shirts from Cafe Press to source the definition and usage of THAT term. No one seems to have an issue with it. Since this has now been brought to your attention, I'm sure that if I add that alternate definition with the source back into the article, you will either not have a problem with it, or you will have a problem with both articles. A good natured test of your neutrality, if you will. Crockspot 21:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't care for such tests. Go find some other test subject. Gamaliel 21:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
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