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Repeat: Abandoned course at University of Southern California? And offer to help with sanitation-related articles

Hi User:Ian (Wiki Ed), I had put this on your talk page on 20 December but it was moved to the archive without an answer. So I am copying it again. If my question is not appropriate please let me know on my talk page. Otherwise, I'd love to see a response from you: Hi Ian, I come from the WikiProject Sanitation (https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sanitation). I saw on the page on groundwater pollution that a student from this course: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Wiki_Ed/University_of_Southern_California/Ecological_Factors_in_Design_(Spring_2016) was meant to work on that page (https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Groundwater_pollution). Seems like nothing has happened though (since February 2016). I couldn't figure out from the course page if the course was abandoned or if just this one student abandoned the assignment? Could you let me know and perhaps also say something on the course page about it? - I also have a question where to find good example pages of where university instructors have successfully involved their students in editing Misplaced Pages articles. I've started a little list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sanitation#Student_assignments But I am sure you probably keep more comprehensive lists? If any university people are interested in getting students to work on pages that are tagged with the WikiProject Sanitation (https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sanitation#Lists_by_content) I would be happy to help, e.g. with regards to content, photos, structuring, referencing. EvMsmile (talk) 13:21, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi EvMsmile. Sorry about that - I saw your message and meant to get back to you, but it slipped my mind (and I missed it when I was archiving).
So the student who worked on groundwater pollution was BriManly, and they did end up making some edits. The course page actually has a link to the Wiki Ed Dashboard for the class, up in the top left. For this class, it's here. (Maintaining the education program extension wasn't on WMF's priorities, so we built our own. WMF now runs an implementation of it here; you can read more about it at meta:Programs & Events Dashboard.
As for compiling a more complete list - I should be able to put together a list of sanitation-related articles that students in courses that worked with us have done. I'll get back to you on that. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:28, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. I look forward to seeing your list (it doesn't have to be a list of sanitation-related articles but a list of university courses in general where lecturers have used students to edit Misplaced Pages articles). If it was part of those dashboard links that you sent, I couldn't quite figure out how to find what I was looking for. EvMsmile (talk) 22:02, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Tea is very healthy for you Jsm0216 (talk) 01:41, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Thank you! Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:31, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Danicroi (talk)

Hello.

I need help with my wikipedia article draft. I was hoping you can review it and see if there are any things that I have to add, specifically checking out that my tone is neutral and unbiased and that my citations are correct. Additionally, I originally planned to add this to the Latin America page, but I am considering creating a new article titled "Latin American Economies in 2017" Since my material is specifically focused on that time period. My article can be found under the dashed lines in my sandbox.


--Danicroi (talk) 14:55, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Danicroi (talk)

Hello.

Thank you for your comments on my article. My original plan was to add my work to the "Latin America" wikipedia page under the economies section beause I noticed that there is very little information, but people on the teahouse said that since most of my information focuses on current trends, it may not be accepted in the Latin America article. Do you think that I should create a new article or add it to the existing one?



--Danicroi (talk) 15:42, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Replied on their talk page. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:03, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Aditya P (talk)

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I need help with...

Aditya Patibandla & Jay Desai Professor Leslie & Dr. Behrman JHU Medicine Article Outline 3/10/17

Alfred Sommer Outline Intro/Background: Alfred Sommer is a highly accomplished epidemiologist and ophthalmologist from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. Sommer received his MD in 1967 from Harvard Medical School and then went on to receive his Masters in Health Sciences in 1973 from the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health. He was formerly the Dean of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health from 1990 to 2005, and is currently serving as an Epidemiology and International Health Professor at the Bloomberg School of Public Health in addition to being an Ophthalmology Professor at the Wilmer Eye Institute. Alfred Sommer first garnered praise and attention for his groundbreaking research on the use of a large and inexpensive Vitamin A capsules to reduce the child mortality rates of Vitamin A deficient children. This Vitamin A capsule that was the focus of Sommer’s research only needed to be administered twice a year and was proven to reduce the child mortality rate (of Vitamin A deficient children) by as much as 34 percent. While serving as the Dean of the Bloomberg School of Public Health, Sommer successfully expanded both the faculty and student bodies and dedicated hundreds of millions of dollars to improving the school’s emphasis on research and developing world class research facilities. Sommer’s visionary efforts helped the school attain the #1 spot on the U.S. News & World Report Graduate Schools of Public Health ranking, a prestigious title it still holds to this day. Significant Talking Points: ● Sommer’s groundbreaking research in regards to blindness prevention has resulted in significant strides in global health as well as a measurable reduction in child mortalities. We intend to delve deeper into Sommer’s research during the 1970s and 1980s, which focused on large, inexpensive doses of Vitamin A and its potential to prevent deaths due to vitamin A deficiency in children. This research was especially meaningful for impoverished area in the U.S. and worldwide that lack access to basic needs or adequate foundational resources such as clean water, staple foods, nearby medical care, etc. We also hope to discover the lasting results of Sommer’s research by examining data from the conducted case studies and examine his role as the founding Director of the Dana Center for Preventative Ophthalmology at Johns Hopkins from 1980-1990 (as it relates to his research on eyesight/blindness/Vitamin A).

● Considering the 15 extremely successful years Sommer spent as the Dean of the Bloomberg School of Public Health, we hope to study any projects or proposals he implemented that enabled him to further expand the student population and the faculty body. We also intend to look into his methods for funding the renovation of the Bloomberg School and for facilitating its growth into a premier research institution (including the 130 million spent on expanding and updating the school’s research facilities).

● Sommer works as both an ophthalmologist in the Wilmer Eye Institute and as an Epidemiology and International Health Professor at the Bloomberg School of Public Health. We intend to study his work as a doctor and his projects as an epidemiologist to gain more insight regarding the various tasks, and responsibilities he takes on in each role. We also hope to research both his work as a doctor and public health specialist to try and understand how his work in both fields is possibly related and if so, where and why that overlap occurs. We are curious to see how is training and education in public health affects his perception of the clinical work and patient care he engages in as a doctor and vice-versa.

● Sommer has received numerous awards and significant recognition for his contributions to the betterment of nutritional and medical (particularly vision) research. We will mention the awards he’s won and why he received these awards including the Albert Lasker Award for Clinical Medical Research in 1997 and the the Danone International Prize for Nutrition in 2001 (for his groundbreaking studies on Vitamin A and its ability to enhance eyesight and reduce child mortality rates when administered through an inexpensive yet high-dosage capsule). He also later was awarded the Helen Keller Prize for Vision Research (in regards to his studies on blindness prevention).

● We intend to address Sommer’s current research interests as well. These include the diagnosis and management of glaucoma, improved child survival and blindness prevention strategies, and micronutrient interventions to vision impairment. In addition, we’ll briefly mention Sommer’s role as director emeritus on the corporate Boards of Directors of Becton Dickinson, an established medical technology company.

● Sommers also discovered that supplementing Nepalese women of childbearing age with Vitamin A ot beta-carotene can reduce maternal mortality rate by 45% and newborn vitamin A supplementation can reduce neonatal mortality by 20%.


How we will conduct our research ● The main resources that we will use to conduct our research will be medical journals and publications made by Sommer or by others on Sommer’s work. Another primary source however that we hope to get is an interview by phone with Sommers. He is currently a professor of Epidemiology, International Health, and Ophthalmology at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine and therefore it might be possible to get an interview. It would be amazing to be able to talk about what got him interested in his research and how we wants to continue his work in field such as the effects of Vitamin A deficiency in children. ● In order to get credible information from primary and secondary documents, we intend to also reference the Chesney Medical Archives (as listed in the syllabus).


--Aditya P (talk) 17:55, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Replied on their talk page. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:03, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Danicroi (talk)

Hello.

I have made some changes to my article to give it more strength to stand as a standalone article. I took your suggestion about looking at the argentina page and modeling my format similarly. In terms of the name, there is no article titled "Latin American Economies" so I could start that article. What are your thoughts? Also, I edited my first paragraph as you suggested, so I was hoping you could take a look. Sorry for so many messages, I just want to perfect the article and post it to main space so I can start receiving feedback from the whole wikipedia community.



--Danicroi (talk) 18:38, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Replied on their talk page. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:03, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
See also Misplaced Pages:Teahouse#Latin_American_Economies_New_Article 86.20.193.222 (talk) 01:37, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Changing Page Title

Hi Ian, Thanks for your assistance in my student's page on the Niger Delta Mangrove Forests. In changing the title, however, it is not an accurate framing to call it Niger Delta mangroves - it should be mangrove forests to fit the ecological and cultural context. Would it be possible to change that?

Thank you! Martha Groom Bothell130 (talk) 18:29, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

@Bothell130: I went with "mangroves" rather than "mangrove forests" to keep the name consistent with all the other articles of the sort. We have lots of these articles (though this one is probably the most complete) and it's a good thing if they are named consistently. If your goal was simply to focus on the woody arboreal component of the ecosystem, rather than the entire mangal, then yes, I suppose it would be appropriate to rename it. Technically that's simple - use use the "move" button. But I am not sure what the benefit of keeping the focus of the article so narrow would be. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:14, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


Drafts nearly ready for review Neurobiology (Spring 2017)

My students will be posting drafts of their pages in sandboxes or userpages for you to review by Monday March 27th at 5PM. Will you leave a message on the talk page letting them know they are ready to go to mainspace or will you be emailing them? MMBiology (talk) 00:25, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Replied on their talk page. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:30, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Question

Hi Ian, There are some non-English citations used in the article I expanded/edited (Osteopathy) for the History of Modern Medicine course I am taking. Are non-English citations allowed on English wiki pages? I've also found a citation (#68) that does not open on my page. Would it be all right to remove these citations, and the statements that they are attached to in the article?

Thank you!Emarti84 (talk) 16:02, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Replied on their talk page. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:25, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from LisaBlakeleySnyder (talk)

Hello.

I need help with...

I am having trouble with the line below. I want to cite Benjamin because he was mentioned in a scholarly article I am referencing. Benjamin's work is from a symposium so I am not sure how to cite that with wikipedia.

In a symposium conducted by Benjamin in 1988, he mentioned that Leta was able to begin her graduate studies because of a grant given to her by Coca-Cola.


--LisaBlakeleySnyder (talk) 16:43, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Replied on their talk page. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:25, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK class preparation

Ian, it seems that the articles that are being nominated for DYK by the current class are being done so without a knowledge of how DYK actually works.

There are three ways an article can qualify for DYK:

  1. Created within the past seven days and at least 1500 prose characters
  2. Expanded fivefold within the past seven days (and also at least 1500 prose characters)
  3. Listed as a Good Article within the past seven days (and also at least 1500 prose characters)

The articles have all been expansions of existing articles, which is a fine thing, but they've all been to already sizable articles, and the expansions have not been to five times the original size. They range from about 1.4x to 3x, and significant expansion—typically over twice what has already been added—would still be needed to bring them into compliance. No one has yet replied to reviews noting these shortcomings, and I expect the bulk of the nominations to be closing as unsuccessful over the next couple of weeks.

I noticed that the expectation is that these articles are supposed to be nominated for Good Article status in May. Given the backlog at WP:GAN, it is unlikely that these will be taken up while the class is still ongoing. (GA nominations are typically one of the last things done as part of the online coursework.) Is there any provision for someone to monitor these nominations for when they do eventually find a reviewer over the summer or possibly into next fall? It seems a shame that the nominations won't have anyone to address the issues when a reviewer turns them up (as they invariably do), leaving the nominations to wither and die. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:15, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

BlueMoonset - thanks for the heads up. Do you know which class this is? I will get in touch with the instructor. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:55, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
If you could point me to one of the DYK noms, I could track it down too. (I used to recommend that students nominate articles for DYK sometimes, but I realised that they often don't follow through when they're asked to make changes. So I stopped doing it. While there are students that produce work with GA potential, I don't know how to fix the follow-through problem. I'd love to see more students or instructors willing to shepherd their noms, but I've only seen this succeed with very experienced instructors.) Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:06, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Ian, thanks for the reply. it's a class relating to medical topics, mostly historical in nature; the work started on March 2 or 3, and the nominations appear to have been made between March 8 and 12. Here are the nominations that remain:
Perhaps you can suggest to the teacher that the GA nominations not be done unless you think the articles are indeed ready and that someone will be around to handle them; otherwise, it's a waste of time. I've seen syllabi in past years where a GA nomination was part of the course requirement, which made me cringe. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:45, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
We've just had confirmation that the DYK nominations were mandated for the class at the Horace Wells nomination page I linked to above: The nomination was required for a class assignment. There's also another nomination that was finally transcluded today, though the nomination page had been created back on March 9; I pinged you from the nominator's talk page about it (Template:Did you know nominations/Iatrophysics). This one has no actual hooks on it, and cannot proceed without at least one; I've suggested that they get in touch with you for assistance. BlueMoonset (talk) 08:03, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
I took a look at the class page the other day, and this was the week that GANs were supposed to be submitted (10 extra points if the article becomes a GA). So far, fifteen have been submitted. I've fixed up five nominations (three failed to include a subtopic field, and two used "World history" rather than "Biology and medicine"). I also tagged four of the articles with the "lead too short" template—articles shouldn't have single-sentence lead sections, and especially if they are nominated at GAN. Have they even read the GA criteria? A fifth article, History of anatomy, was nominated despite already having a "lead too short" template dating back to August 2016, and having only a single paragraph for an article that big (27k prose characters) is clearly inadequate. Given that there are twenty-two unreviewed nominations in the "Biology and medicine" older than the fifteen that were just submitted, I doubt very many—if any—are going to be reviewed before the end of semester. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:15, 30 March 2017‎ (UTC)
Follow-up: the number is up to over two dozen. One has already been quick-failed (History of anatomy, which had been nominated with an active problem template), and a couple have been picked up for review. There's a problematic review that I'll be mentioning in a new section below. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:19, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Pino.17 (talk)

Hello.

I need help with...moving my article Fred B. Kniffen to the main space....

I followed the directions, but it still has a box at the top when others google the article that says it's part of a user sandbox. How do I make this go away and in turn make it an article? I followed the "move" directions and everything.

Thanks,

Jordan

--Pino.17 (talk) 19:24, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Replied on their talk page. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:25, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Maddieaalund (talk)

Hello! Please take a look at my rough draft for Transcranial magnetic stimulation and let me know of anything I can change or revise. I would greatly appreciate it! Thank you. Maddieaalund (talk) 02:25, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

New Page Patrol query re: student pages.

Hello Ian, I am an NPP on en.wiki and am patrolling a sheaf of student created pages. Are there any policies for dealing with pages created by Wiki Ed students? Should I leave this for you to do? The articles all appear to be OK, if a little on the dry side of encyclopdic, which I must admit is a welcome relief from the usual. Thank you for your time. L3X1 (distant write) 03:26, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

@L3X1: Students should be treated like any other new editors. If you run into problems I can help with, please let me know. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:11, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Ok, thank you, I sure will. L3X1 (distant write) 18:20, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Drafts are ready for review

My classes drafts are all ready for review. The talk page for the class tells you where the article drafts are located. I told my students they couldn't put things in main space unless you have approved. MMBiology (talk) 18:36, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Ian, it seems that every group in this class is providing complete rewrites of articles in their sandboxes. What is the plan here with regard to mainspace? I really wish that classes wouldn't do this; I understand how this approximates normal classwork where a student or team submits a paper but this is nothing like how WP actually works. Acid-sensing ion channel for example has significant existing content. Jytdog (talk) 20:52, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Jytdog, you misunderstand what my students are doing and the instruction I give them. I never tell them they have to re-write the whole article. They are encouraged to keep existing content if it is good. In their draft within the sandbox you may see existing content because the point in the draft is to see how the entire article would flow. If they are keeping existing content they keep track of it and are instructed not to "overwrite" that portion when moving to mainspace. As to acid-sensing ion channel, they are keeping very little existing content. The draft written by my students is much better than the existing page. All drafts are run through Turnitin so it is clear what is from the existing page. While they are told that they do not need to overwrite existing content if it is good (and keeping existing content has no negative impact on their grade), they are told they may start from scratch if the existing content is not good (for whatever reason - dated information, not properly cited, incorrect information, irrelevant information, poor writing, etc). The vast majority of topics are picked because they are stubs and have little to no content or very poor content. I have been doing this for 5 years and have a good sense of how this should work when moving into mainspace. Ian and other editors I have worked with have not had a problem with it. MMBiology (talk) 15:23, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Generally, when I give students feedback I remind them to keep what's good in the existing article. I tend to encounter the opposite problem more often - students who add new material without removing older, often lower-quality work. (That's a general comment, not one about this class.) Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:32, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Ian, so far the only comments on any of the talk pages are from Jytdog on the Madras Motor Neuron Disease page. Those students did not put their references in the proper format. I have told them that they can continue editing these drafts so maybe that was their plan. However, I would like to get the articles in mainspace as soon as possible so they can start the reviewing part. When do you think you will start reviewing them so I can give them a heads up about when they will be able to move? MMBiology (talk) 19:33, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

I plan to have these done tomorrow. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:36, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Ok, great. I will tell students to be on the lookout. MMBiology (talk) 21:01, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Ccugini1 (talk)

Hello.

I need help with removing the user sandbox template. I just want to move my sandbox to the mainspace but it says my article is in the namespace and i'm not too sure what that means



--Ccugini1 (talk) 20:23, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Kayla Vedral (talk)

Hello.

I need help with...

people information in my sandbox. I typed up my lead for my article but it would not allow me to publish and save changes


--Kayla Vedral (talk) 06:14, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Sofiagians (talk)

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I need help with...

I just want to know if the picture i put in my sandbox to edit the article Gonyaulax was okay to use? I cited it and everything but I just want to make sure its okay to put in wikipedia. Thank you! --Sofiagians (talk) 15:50, 31 March 2017 (UTC)


--Sofiagians (talk) 15:50, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Visual editor or old school?

in your experience are students using VE or the old editor? I have realized that my instructions for formatting citations are not for VE and might confuse people. Jytdog (talk) 04:16, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Jytdog - we strongly encourage students to use VE, though the training also gives them the basics of wikicode. I think most use VE. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:49, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! I will tweak my note about formatting. Jytdog (talk) 18:56, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Percivall Pott/GA1

Ian, this article was nominated to be a GA by one the students in the History of Medicine class.

Today—and I don't think this is an April Fools joke—a brand new account in its first edit attempted to approve it as a GA. The new account has the same apparent surname as the nominating account.

I have adjusted the nomination on the article's talk page so it won't look to that review page, and hatted the review. Fortunately, the "reviewer" failed to properly conclude the review on said talk page, so we don't need to revert a GA listing. But I consider this a serious matter, and hope you will look into it. Thank you.

I've been doing my best to keep the spate of this class's GA nominations in order: all but one of the articles placed under "World history" have been moved to "Biology and medicine" because it includes "history of medicine" and also medical practitioners past and present, and a number added without any topic at all have been given the "Biology and medicine" subtopic. I also tagged four articles that had single-sentence or otherwise clearly inadequate lead sections—one of the basic GA criteria includes meeting the manual of style's lead guidelines. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:31, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

That is very bad. I'm really sorry. I will follow up further with the instructor. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:31, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
Ian, you should be aware of the discussion that's taking place at WT:GAN#School nominations again, where GA reviewers are reacting to the dozens of nominations, most of which are very far indeed from being GA quality. (I noticed one article, after the nomination was failed, was rated as Start-class, which is quite sad indeed.)
However, what I find most troubling is that yet another brand-new account reviewed the Percival Pott article and passed it right off: Talk:Percivall Pott/GA2. Needless to say, this review and listing has been reverted. I'm very concerned that this is a gaming of the GA process for the 10 bonus points being offered by the instructor, and my inclination would be to remove the Pott GA nomination since the article so clearly falls short of the GA criteria at the present time. The only thing preventing me from doing so immediately is that it might cause issues at Wiki Ed; I'm willing to wait 48 hours before removing the nomination in case you think it's important that the nomination remain, but if a third newbie reviewer shows up before then, all bets are off. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:44, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

These nominations are of very poor quality. In some instances students have only made 2-3 edits to the entire articles. They should at the very least be made aware of verifiability requirements. I refer here to the large tranche of medical history-related GA noms in the class of Terraplane34. See Cowpox, History of medicine in France, Plastic surgery. Even a brief look at WP:GA? beforehand would have been useful. I have had no students even respond to my GA requests. We volunteer here to help the free spread of knowledge, not as unpaid tutors for the class of John Hopkins. Please stop this class wasting volunteer time by posting clearly unsuitable GA noms. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:59, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Whoops, I better tone that down as to not shoot the messenger, so apologies for my somewhat terse tone above. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:16, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Can we just take these GA nominations down? Can we? Jytdog (talk) 08:50, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
@LT910001: The instructor misunderstood or underestimated the difficulty a GAN poses. We should have caught it when he added it to his timeline, but we missed that. I have discussed this with him, and he has asked his students to back off, but I'm not certain everyone got the message. I see no problem with delisting them. I'm sorry about this - I'm well aware what a limited resource GA reviewers are. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:32, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

User talk:Adam (Wiki Ed)...

Since User:Adam (Wiki Ed) is ill (hope he's feeling better soon), I was noticing that his user talk page hasn't been archived lately. Can I go ahead and maybe manually archive the posts from January or maybe set up auto-archiving (maybe setting the posts to be a month or so old)? I would normally never even ask about something like this but the page has gotten so large and so many new editors post help requests there... was thinking maybe that's one way I could help or something. Shearonink (talk) 02:17, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

I would appreciate if you could archive Adam's page, Shearonink. Shalor (Wiki Ed) is monitoring his page now, so it's probably best to see what she things about managing the current posts. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:39, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
@Shalor (Wiki Ed): Shalor, I was thinking I would set up auto-archiving for 30 days. If an Ed question hasn't been answered within a month, any answer at that point would probably be outdated anyway. Ian, hope it's ok that, for now, I am keeping the discussion all here in one place. Once there's a consensus I'll go ahead and fix things up according to that consensus and I will also post something about this on Adam's user talk. Shearonink (talk) 17:05, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Shalor, going off to do that now. Shearonink (talk) 13:09, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Hfaith (talk)

Hello.

I need help with ensuring that this information encompasses the information expected for this project of botany (paleobotany project). Is there a way to know if there are certain expectations of a project? This topic's talk page is pretty inactive, and I want to make sure I'm doing all I can to edit in a Misplaced Pages-friendly way.

Also, is there a way to get traffic to my article from more experienced users, in order to get feedback before submitting my project?

Thanks!


--Hfaith (talk) 03:13, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Sianna Willis (talk)

The DREAM act was about the permanent residence and of how they would be of social and economic benefits to both themselves and our country. Is there an updated version of this article other than 2001 available?


--Sianna Willis (talk) 07:38, 3 April 2017 (UTC)Sianna Willis

Need help Cbyrd2011

I am very sorry to bother you but I have a concern? I posted my assignment to the BDNF page today and about 2 hours later I come to discover that someone had deleted most of it and summarized erroneously. I was confused, and quite embarrassed, especially after viewing the history and seeing that many of the changes were saved under names such as "horrible ref. names" and "unsourced.and why would val/val and met/met act the same any how?" This is incredibly wrong and actually proves that my post was misunderstood. I went to the user's talk page to ask what was wrong and discuss my position, as the training rules state, but on this particular talk page, there are several edit wars. I am concerned to leave the wrong summary on the page, especially when my name is attached, but I do not want to get into an argument. I was wondering if you had any advice. My thoughts as of now are to just delete my contribution.

Thanks for your time Cbyrd2011 (talk) 23:58, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

That was me. The "horrible ref names" thing isn't personal, at all. I need to figure out where those <ref name=:0:> pattern of ref names comes from and make it stop. Those ref names are very difficult to work with in the workflow of editing, as nothing in the ref name tells you what the ref is, in subsequent appearances. As for "inaccurate" i would be happy to discuss anything on the article Talk page. I know the science around the val/met mutation very well but perhaps something is not clear or i made a mistake. I will open a discussion section for you there (the article talk page, not a user talk page, is the right place to discuss content, btw)
Ian, do you know where those ref names come from? Jytdog (talk) 00:47, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Ian, forget it, I went and played in Visual Editor and these nonsense refnames are what VE still does. I thought I read somewhere that this had been fixed. Apparently not. Jytdog (talk) 05:07, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
I have raised this issue before with the VE people, but it isn't a priority for them. It isn't just extremely frustrating, it's also creates problems when you try to merge content. I try to fix them when I have time. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:11, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree, but if you know the rules, why did you delete and edit my post without discussing it first. You have to admit that it is a little confusing to find your entire assignment that you have worked all semester on is deleted within hours. I am still taken of guard, that is why I decided to ask the person who is meant to help me as opposed to the individual who has several edit wars on their own talk page. I will admit that I am new to this and may need help with citations, but I have been studying this protein, BDNF not Val66Met which is a mutation, for the last 4 years and find NO reason why almost my entire post needs to be deleted and reworded. Thank you Cbyrd2011 (talk) 01:18, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Mcalmar15 (talk)

Hello.

I need help with... a content check on my work for Francesco Botticini, found on his wikipedia page.


--Mcalmar15 (talk) 19:23, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Proposed Deletion Optimisticallyhopeful

Good evening Ian,

I received a notification that my wiki page was going to be deleted but I do not understand why? I checked the talk page to try and fix the issue of concern; but I cannot find the specific reason. The person who proposed the deletion; did not give a suggestion or inform on where the POV Fork is.

My group and I have been working hard to have an unbiased point of view I understand that we might have overlooked something due to the fact that we are still working on this article but I do not think it is fair to delete our page without giving us a chance to fix the issue the user Srich32977 states? I do not even see his/her comment or message on where our article is showing bias?

All in all, I would greatly appreciate some help and feedback. Thank you. 

Optimisticallyhopeful  —Preceding undated comment added 03:27, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Replied by email. See also Talk:Environmental_issues_along_the_Mexico–United_States_border#Refocussing. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:40, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

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Hello.

I need help with... I don't know how to delete the sources and some of the ones I need deleted are in my sandbox



--Ricardojkay (talk) 15:32, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

2 duplicate articles created by students

See; Special:Contributions/Fflorendo and Special:Contributions/Nathanneuro. Both are with the Misplaced Pages:Wiki Ed/Marquette University/Neurobiology (Spring 2017) class. I have speedied them both.Jytdog (talk) 02:20, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

I have left a message on the talk page Open channel block suggesting that the information is merged with channel blocker and the entire page be renamed ion channel blocker, which is more informative.
As to Foix-Chavany-Marie Syndrome and bilateral anterior opercular syndrome, that is a mistake. I told my students that they needed to work with Ian on this because I wasn't sure how to do it. The page should have the name bilateral anterior opercular syndrome as this is the current name. Anyone typing in Foix-Chavany-Marie Syndrome should be redirected to bilateral anterior opercular syndrome. It was never the intent of the students to have two pages on the same topic. MMBiology (talk) 04:03, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
These kind of page moves/renames need to discussed per WP:MOVE. The easiest way to do that is just to open a discussion at the relevant talk page and propose it. Jytdog (talk) 05:54, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Question Help!

Hi Ian I am part of Neurobiology class on editing Wiki stubs. My groups topic is Aquaporin-4 and we actually posted on the main page last night, but it was recently taken down due to the confusion of referencing. Could you help by explaining how do we add our reference to the main page with references already used. We tried adding a new reference but the numbering was all mixed up or we would reuse a citation and it would place the wrong number...? Please help us thank you! Sorry I re-edited this because I forgot to sign in with my account. Yoyotime (talk) 17:39, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

I think it is because you didn't copy the original work from an "edit" page with all of the source information. If you just cut and pasted from the "read" page of the article, it would not have saved the source info. If the source info was saved, it would have re-ordered numbers correctly. MMBiology (talk) 23:09, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
@Yoyotime: If you look at your sandbox page, a lot of your references aren't real references - they're just numbers in square brackets. Try clicking on them and you'll see that they don't actually do anything. You need to replace these with properly-formatted references. Use the Cite tool on the visual editor to insert the references - you should be able to generate them using the PubMed ID for the article. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:40, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Concerns about Misplaced Pages:Wiki Ed/University of California, Berkeley/Environmental Justice Section 105 (Spring 2017)

I guess it might be too late to do anything about it, but Misplaced Pages:Wiki Ed/University of California, Berkeley/Environmental Justice Section 105 (Spring 2017) seems like a disaster. I have been working on one of the articles created, which was terribly non-neutral. But I don't think it's the editor's fault - I think the students have been expected to write in biased way. The whole course is about "the assaults on the environment and environmental justice expected to unfold early in the Trump Presidency" (emphasis mine). So right from the start it is (a) anti-Trump, and (b) crystal-balling. Yes, the description does say "neutral, well-documented" but that does not appear to be happening. StAnselm (talk) 20:04, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

I am working with the class and the instructor and TAs. This is definitely one of the areas that needs fixing which has been obvious to me, but it probably something I need to be a lot more specific when communicating. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:02, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
I found out about this because of the WP:AfD on Food justice. I am not really surprised at very negative reaction here to Environmental Justice, since most active editors probably have little knowledge about the subject matter, many thinking the writing of science and technology trumps everything else. I am happy to help the instructor and students understand our sourcing rules under WP:RS, WP:NPOV and the issue with WP:OR that has come up in some of the articles in the course.
To be honest, I am having trouble figuring out who the instructor is, how to communicate with him/her based, or whether that is strongly discouraged. The way these courses is set up is confusing. For example this strange post: by Ryan_(Wiki_Ed). I had mistakenly assumed the course was created by Helaine_(Wiki_Ed) until I read that. Then I thought maybe it was Ryan_(Wiki_Ed) or you, but now it appears that it is yet someone else entirely. It's hard to figure out, and I think other experienced editors will be equally confused.
As a former teacher, I am saddened to see how the students are being treated by experienced editors here. I think some of this is bad PR for Misplaced Pages and will further erode our reputation. It would help immensely, if ordinary editors like me and very experienced editors could more easily find a way to help these students and have more positive interactions than having their articles deleted. I tried doing outreach on one of these courses when I first saw it and I got *zero* response. That kind of lack of communication with experienced editors who don't know much about what is going on with these classes is likely leading to this unfortunate negativity and harsh treatment of students' work. I also see posts like this that are not encouraging. --David Tornheim (talk) 05:04, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ian! As far as I can tell the whole of students' work on Environmental Policy of Donald Trump is gone via the revision deletion process. So no way to compare what the students did to what emerged. I've asked the reverter to re-revert, but I don't get the sense that will work. https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Diannaa#Close_paraphasing_question Can you get their stuff back in Sandbox? Thanks! --EJustice (talk) 03:28, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

@EJustice: Close paraphrasing problems are copyright/plagiarism issues. Material deleted for those reasons can't be re-added because they infringe copyright. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:54, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
understood. you may not have time to sort this out right now, so let's let it lie. But the students involved say that they'd cited the material and that it wasn't very close paraphrasing. Same user who had those revisions deleted has done the same here... The students had quoted 2, non-contiguous sentences from this document, and the copyright terms were CCL, permitting such use clearly. Not too worried, but a) this is easily fair use by academic standards (small amount of quote, used in a non-profit context, from a non-profit think-tank who likely wants their writing disseminated) and b) given the likelihood of fair use, is it reasonable to delete the revision history instead of correcting the paraphrase/quote? Is wholesale revision deletion draconian in such cases or the norm? BTW don't respond till you have time to. I get what's going on here and how much of your time this is taking... Thanks! EJustice (talk) 17:22, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
Just a note here: as I pointed out on EJustices talk page, the revision deletions above were requested when I discovered text from CNN, which was present throughout the revision deletions mentioned as well, and was copyrighted. I admit the mistake on the EESI text, I just saw the copyright symbol and because the CNN text had been discovered on the same article, removed because I didn't see the CCL notice. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:26, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Undoing student work at Phakomatosis

I understand this is a process with many editors. But I have always been under the impression that before deleting someone's work when they are in the midst of a major edit as announced on the Talk page, it is better to address your concerns on the talk page first, allowing the editors to respond. Jytdog undid my student's work because he didn't think it was an appropriate topic despite the fact that the stub existed (we didn't make it up). He started a thread on WP:MD and no consensus was reached. So, I undid his delete and now his buddy Doc James has re-deleted because he doesn't like the organization. Maybe he has a point but deleting it all rather than suggesting a re-organization removes a lot of work that was still better than what orginally existed on the page. Definitely wearing me out and after five years this semester is convincing me to bow out of the Misplaced Pages Foundation Education Program. MMBiology (talk) 23:21, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

I am sorry you are upset. Not my intention. Jytdog (talk) 23:36, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Ed guidelines

I have no idea what guidelines you are subject to on WikiEd - but as the person responsible for content on https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Wiki_Ed/University_of_California,_Berkeley/Environmental_Justice_Section_101_(Spring_2017) I thought I would ask you.

"the first few months of a historically unique U.S. President whose agenda has been explicitly anti-environmental, sexist, and racist."

Granted, it's not on an article - but (while I might agree with the sentiment) I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be there.

Spacecowboy420 (talk) 09:04, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

I have removed it from the page as a blatant BLP violation, but the wiki edu page needs to be changed so that the violation isn't restored via update. StAnselm (talk) 10:12, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Can we just log in and change it? I'm not sure about editing someone's project without them knowing about it. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:17, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Well, I removed it immediately per the BLP policy - which, of course, applies to all pages, not just articles. StAnselm (talk) 10:20, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
I was a little reluctant, because I just got shouted at on ANI for removing content. But thanks and good work, it shouldn't have been there. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:47, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
@Spacecowboy420 and StAnselm: We never really gave much thought to what instructors put in their course descriptions - I assume most to include a summary will just copy it from their syllabus. Just changing it on-wiki isn't going to help, since the course pages are mirrors.
I agree, there are BLP concerns here. I will fix this. (There are actually 6 sections.) Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:40, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Amartin19 (talk)

Hello.

I need help with submitting my article for edits.

Thank you, Abbey



--Amartin19 (talk) 00:07, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Need help request

Dear Ian,

I am writing to inform you that my Misplaced Pages article (Amparo Acker-Palmer) has been tagged for speedy deletion due to my mistake of moving the article when it did not have any content at all. How will this affect my next attempt to move the article? Please let me know on how I should proceed, thank you!

Lemontree96 (talk) 16:47, 12 April 2017 (UTC)Lemontree96

Question

Hi Ian, how do I make a side box or those text boxes on upper left side of my wiki page? I'm working on US-Mexico Agua Prieta Pipeline! Thanks! Mick.romero (talk) 17:40, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Need Help Request

Hi Ian,

I am looking to make a new page for "locura." I have drafted a full article in my sandbox and I contacted a user who had previously deleted the page. After asking them why the article was deleted the response was that it was due to a "cross-namespace redirect." The redirect was to User:NessaPrincess/Locura. . I am unsure where to go from here, is it okay to still publish what I have? I think it is well cited and has some good information but want to get your opinion on what I should do. Thank! Brainsteam (talk) 20:09, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Help with moving content to mainspace

Hi Ian,

I'm from the Metabolic Biochemistry class led by Knchacon, I am still confused about the process of moving our draft in the sandbox to the mainspace. I would like to do it in small chunks rather than shift the whole page, but I am not sure about how to do that.

Thanks!

Majumak (talk) 21:09, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Course assignment - Cycad

There appears to be some confusion about the scope of the Cycad article. That article has been expanded in coverage within recent years because of the reassignment of the fossil order Medullosales to the Cycadopsida. This creates a huge shift in focus for that article, likely to be beyond the skill level of students in an introductory course. Splitting the original content was a good deal of work. Judging by the course assignment selections, and the level of the course, I would recommend editing instead at Cycadales, which contains the traditional (extant) "cycads". --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:58, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey: Wow. I'm really sorry. Your advice is good and the student's response is totally out of line. I'm going to get in touch with their instructor - hopefully they can prevail upon the student. No way that's an acceptable response. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 13:42, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

discussion of POV forks

I just mentioned you here: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#POV_forks_being_created_as_school_project and it said I had to let you know! (:-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EJustice (talk • contribs) 23:29, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Whatever the above editor was trying to do, it was reverted, just FYI. --Tarage (talk) 23:33, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
I sussed it out, and replaced the content of their message here: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Re:_POV_Forks --Tarage (talk) 23:38, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:13, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from TealPenguinFoot (talk)

Hi Ian!

I need help with moving a new article out of my sandbox. I moved the page and now I can find it in the Misplaced Pages main space, but it says that it is "not an article," but rather a part of a user's sandbox. How do I fix this and properly move the new article from my sandbox? Thanks!

--TealPenguinFoot (talk) 18:38, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @TealPenguinFoot: Looks like you managed to correct this yourself Excirial 18:44, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Lhalas (talk)

Hello.

I need help with...

Just a review of my intended further edits to the article, as well as what I have already written would be appreciated.


Thanks! --Lhalas (talk) 22:59, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Shelby234 (talk)

Hello Ian,

I have revised my article on buzz pollination for our class, however there is already an article on buzz pollination. I tried to cover other topics that the current article does not have. Before/If I moved my article over into Wiki, I just wanted to check with you. I didn't want to replace the article, but I don't know if maybe there is a way to combine them? Anyway, I just didn't know how to handle this, so any advice you have would be great!

Thanks!


--Shelby234 (talk) 01:46, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Spongebubble94 (talk)

Hello.

I need help with moving my article to the encyclopedia

thanks



--Spongebubble94 (talk) 01:49, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

I did figure it out. haha thanks... but now, how do I link my article to another article ? someone tagged my article as orphan and I want to link it to "Educational Psychology: A Century of Contributions." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spongebubble94 (talk • contribs) 20:08, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

MSU MMG 445-001 page moving

Please remind the students and/or instructors in Michigan State University's MMG 445-001 about page moving and article replacement. I am currently cleaning up messes left behind by User:Melaniea and User:Kibilos3, both students in that class. I'm not exactly sure what their intentions are. – Train2104 (t • c) 15:35, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for cleaning those up. I will pass the message on to the class. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:39, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
An edit filter has now been set up that warns new users when they attempt to move a page into the project namespace. This should solve that problem, but it may create more complicated messes like the second case here as students play trial and error. – Train2104 (t • c) 00:41, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks so much for setting up that edit filter. It wouldn't have crossed my mind, but I should keep that in mind for persistent problems like this. We also plan to adapt our guides and training modules more (though we already made changes to specifically try to address that problem, and they only help if people read them). Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:03, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from IanFaf120 (talk)

Hello.

I need help with uploading a picture to an article. I have a picture of a newspaper that I have taken myself however, upon going through the tutorials I am not so sure if I am allowed to use it. Am I allowed to upload the picture of the news paper?


faf120Faf120 (talk) 17:58, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello from SDSU's Research Methods Class!

Hi Ian,

About 15 students from our Research Methods class will be posting our Wiki drafts in the upcoming weeks. Please feel free to edit and suggest changes to our content!

Quick question: For those of us who are creating new Wiki pages, where should we post our first draft and how do we go about that?

Thanks!

Paige Hernandez — Preceding ] comment added by Paige.hernandez (talk • contribs) 02:36, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Megamanhuy Megamanhuy (talk)

Hello.

I need help with editing the vomeronasal organ Wiki page. I created a new section in the page and put 2 sentences in so far. However, every time I came back and tried to make more edits or cited references, the error 500 would appear. My friend tried to edit the Wiki page on his laptop using his Wiki account and the same error appeared as well. Would you mind helping me with this? Megamanhuy (talk) 18:16, 21 April 2017 (UTC)


--Megamanhuy (talk) 18:16, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Help regarding Capital Soirée page

Hi there. I noticed my first ever article was up for only about two days before being nominated for a speedy deletion. What steps might I take to get the article where it needs to be? Did I not quite have enough sources to really make the case for the relevancy of my topic? Thanks --Zachrom (talk) 00:59, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


Need help request from Brianbizub (talk)

Hello.

I need help with...

Making sure this article is ready to be published on wikipedia.


--Brianbizub (talk) 01:52, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Artistryanthony (talk)

Hello.

I need help with...

align sure my article is up to standards :) thank you



--Artistryanthony (talk) 17:16, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Need help request from Acyl12 (talk)

Hello.

I need help with...



--Acyl12 (talk) 20:09, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

@Acyl12: I need something specific here. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:10, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Note - student tagging an article subject to DS

An article that is subject to discretionary sanctions, was just tagged as being part of student editing in the Misplaced Pages:Wiki Ed/UCLA/Chem 153A Honors (Spring 2017) class. You are the liaison for the class; I suggest you warn them away from that article. Jytdog (talk) 18:49, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

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