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All topics related to Moldova and Romania -- All topics related to languages, with the exception of Moldovan and/or Romanian

Languages connect us, but they also separate us. The destruction of the Tower of Babylon was seen in mythology as a curse, because the Almighty, allegedly, separated people and their languages. Much has happened since then.

Our languages are dead because they are no longer spoken, but they remain in writing. Some languages have been completely forgotten, and many new languages have come to be. We live in a world that is more and more dominated by one language – English. At the same time, this is a world where more and more attention is given to the preservation of the so-called little languages. No matter how much each of us felt that his/her own language is the biggest and most beautiful, the fact that some ten million people speak it explains a lot. It would be most beautiful if the so-called little languages took care of each other, if they would show mutual solidarity, support each other rather than make war. Their greatness requires this kind of behavior. Unfortunately, wars have been fought for years not only between nations but between languages as well.

Multiradio establishes those desirable standards finally make us proud and full of hope for the country we live in. The richness of little languages lies not only in the richness of differences, but in the richness of bonding, mixing and tolerance.

Veran Matic, editor-in-chief of RTV B92

Note to self.

Rusin alphabet: Has ї and ґ, unlike Russian (and Belarusian?), but is missing і, unlike Ukrainian and Rusyn. Rusyn alphabet: Has ї, ґ, і, and є, unlike Russian (and Belarusian?), but also has ы and ё, unlike Ukrainian and Rusin.

Differences summary by list of possibly distinguishing letters each language has, and in some cases relative frequency:

• Ukrainian: ґ (low frequency), і (high frequency), ї (low frequency), є
• Belarusian: і, ы, ё
• Russian: ы, ё
• Rusin: ї (high frequency), ґ (high frequency), є (high frequency)
• Rusyn: ґ (low frequency), і (high frequency), ї (low frequency), є (low frequency), ы, ё

Wik's bitch list

Congratulations on making the Misplaced Pages:Hall of fame! You are now in the same company as some of the most prolific users on the Misplaced Pages, and some of its best sysops (alas Wik insists on mislabelling myself, but i suppose proper research is just too hard on him…). Anyway, congrats again ;-) Anárion 20:16, 5 May 2004 (UTC)

No, no, no Anárion. It's shameful and I've repented for what I've done, but I fear the gods of the Wiki may cast me into the great lake of WikiLavaFireCrap anyways. hmm...

Node ue: Please leave Wik's user page alone. It is not appropriate to edit someone's user page if they ask you not to or make it clear that your edits are not welcome, as Wik has now done. See this page for more information: Wikipedia_talk:User_page#Editing_user_pages. Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 20:21, May 5, 2004 (UTC)

Yes I am very, very well aware of this and because of this I have not edited it since he has asked me to stop (though I have made comments on his talk page, which he has since deleted).Node

WikiReader Japan

Hi, Node ue. I was aware your presence on the Board election. It's regretful you can't be now a candidate. BTW do you speak German? There a project of a magazine on Japan from articles in de.wikipedia.org is running. If you have an interest, please visit the project page: w:de:Misplaced Pages:WikiReader/Japan. KIZU 01:20, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

User conduct

I see you placed a RFC against me regarding , but you have failed to add my name to the front page under General user conduct. I'm surprised such a long time Wikipedian user, such as yourself, could make such an oversight. Have a NICE day! --Buster 04:24, Jul 17, 2004 (UTC)

Please use talk pages after deleting paragraphs

Hi, node. I hope that in the future you'll hold discussions on talk pages instead of reverting (you reverted Tucson, Arizona twice without comment...) without any sort of consensus. This place seems to work better if we can all work together. :) Thanks! kmccoy (talk) 10:30, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hi. We've already discussed this. Don't act as if you're just bringing it up for the first time. I don't appreciate it. --Node 22:57, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Your "NPOV dispute" marking of "Tamil Eelam"

Please state your problems with this article at Talk:Tamil Eelam. Without talking about the issues, the article cannot be improved. Pjacobi 19:21, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Unit 731

You've added the NPOV as your first edit on Unit 731 and warning without any comment on the Talk page. Please elaborate or explain, or the page will need to go back to its former state. Fuzheado | Talk 23:53, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Birthday greets back

Thanks for the note. Good to see I am not completely forgotten around here. Burgundavia 00:43, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC)

Utilisateur:Node ue/Ryukyu

You probably meant to save this in the french wikipedia. Spoon 00:29, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yes, yes I did. And after I noticed that, I saved it in fr:. I'm a bit curious though, do you usually send people messages like that? Telling me what I "probably meant to do", I mean. I just thought it was kind of funny, that's all. Node 01:18, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The only real issue is that it is in the article namespace on english wikipedia and therefore needs to be deleted. No, I don't usually send messages like this; I made an exception just for you. Spoon 01:25, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yes, yes I realize that. Why didn't you mention that in your first post, though? It seemed almost cryptic. Node 01:28, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

So that later I could get into a discussion about why I didn't mention that in the first post. Spoon 01:30, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I should've guessed. Node 01:31, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Unit 731 protected

FYI, I've protected Unit 731 and moved the disputed text/photo to the talk page. Feel free to discuss there. Thanks. Fuzheado | Talk 02:09, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Recent reverts

Hi Node ue. You just sent me a message. This is probably in regards to me reverting IZAK's edits, right? (Edit, add my name) --141.211.62.118 04:28, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

NPOV dispute (Unit 731)

I've responded at Talk:Unit 731. Please comment there. --Jiang 22:20, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

My typing.

q w e r t y u i o p
 a s d f g(h)j k l ; '
  z x c v b(n)m , . ?

Families, orders, and the like

Node, I can't seem to find where we agreed to make these pages redirects - it may not exist any more. It certainly wouldn't have been on every relevant talk page, though, since the pages are all duplicates. However, there's no doubt that the redirects are generally accepted, and has stood that way for a year.

The reasoning is at least repeated in the edit comments: the pages are simple dictionary entries and won't be developed any further, since there is nothing else to say on them. The only things to discuss are how the ranks fit in the hierarchy and perhaps a few examples, and this is just duplicating scientific classification, which makes maitenance difficult.

Accordingly, the pages should have been left as redirects in the absence of arguments to the contrary, which have not been given. Josh 19:36, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

1. It makes no sense for one page to link to another page a bunch of times. As you'll note, the taxoboxes all link to these various articles, which is pointless since each of them is a redirect to "Scientific classification".

2. Perhaps you believe there is no possibility for expansion, however fr:, de:, and a couple of other Wikipedias have quite nice articles on them. Just because you don't want to expand an article yourself doesn't mean it can't be done.

3. Your inability to find said talkpage leads me to question its existance.

edit to note: Those are most certainly not dicdefs. Dicdefs look more like this:

Order biology (n.): A taxonomic category of plants and animals ranking above the family and below the class. pl. orders)

Best, Node 19:55, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

They're the equivalent of dictionary definitions - they simply say what the word means, and don't provide any further details. It's not that I don't want to provide more, it's that I think it can't be done. I checked all the articles on the other-language wikipediae and they don't say anything beyond what we have, which is duplicated on scientific classification (though some have nicer tables).

As for the taxoboxes, the ones that link to ranks were mostly made a long time ago, and at any rate they're contrary to the standards we agreed to on wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life. They need to be fixed, not the rank articles. After all, even if they weren't redirects, they'd still mostly have the exact same information.

That leaves #3, where you may be right - I'm not sure it exists any more, and the discussion was possibly scattered to begin with. But if you look at the histories, you can see that there was some disagreement, and that the redirects were settled on. There was no need for you to revert these edits. They can always be expanded in the unlikely event that someone finds new information specific to one rank, without keeping duplicate copies in the mean time. Josh 20:15, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

In fact only a couple of those pages contained just a definition, and some of them had more information as well. As to the edit histories, they far from show that a redirect had been accepted: many of them had been changed to redirects in the past, but been reverted by others, only for you to change them back into redirects with the justification "There's no reason not to". Node 22:07, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

None of them had any information beyond what's available on the scientific classification page. The single exception is phylum, which gave some information about the phyla of animals. Needless to say, that information is already treated on animal. So no, they're all duplicates, and my justification is that duplication is to be avoided unless there is a reason otherwise. Meanwhile, you haven't given any justification for your reversion of other people's edits that stood for a year without complaint, which is no less serious a change than mine. If the only reason is that they might become articles someday, it would be better to keep all the present information in one place. Josh 23:22, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Edit attribution

Hi node. Edits from 65.38.130.26 have now been reattributed to you. Regards — Kate Turner | Talk 05:05, 2004 Sep 4 (UTC)

Adminship

Thanks very much for your support of my adminship nomination. JOHN COLLISON | (Ludraman) 16:30, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Death toll page

You can add the death toll for the post-war deaths in the Congo to the Death toll page for comparative purposes. Darksun 12:23, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Reverts

In re your message to me on 3 reverts (http://en.wikipedia.org/Occupation_of_Palestine):

So, how come the others with MORE numerous reverts have not been blocked yet? Also, does the rule apply to you as well? Thanks, HistoryBuffEr 07:34, 2004 Sep 14 (UTC)

Occupation of Palestine

Please see my question at Misplaced Pages:Votes_for_deletion/Occupation_of_Palestine#Tally: Rephrasing the question -- Jmabel 01:25, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)

Adminship

Thanks again for your kind nomination for my adminship. I'll do my best to live up to it. :) –Andre (talk) 17:24, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

VfD/GNAA edits

Hi Mark -- I reverted your edits -- not because I disagree with the intent, but because you can't just ask everyone else to go back and check to see if you've removed the wrong votes in an edit summary. I think you should leave a note on the talk page eitehr explaining which ones you are planning to delete, or if there are ones that your not sure about, or something similar.

Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 16:52, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Pgunn is not a sockpuppet. I will be reverting you again. Leave the votes alone. RickK 07:58, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)

And when did I say pgunn was a sockpuppet? I will be reverting *you* again. Leave the votes alone - note that you removed legit votes by RV'ing me.

If you don't think he's a sockpuppet, why do you keep deleting his votes? RickK 19:43, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)

I have never deleted his votes. --Node 05:12, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Redirect you created at "Yashikahagi"

Hi, you created a redirect from Yashikahagi to Yatsukahagi by moving Yashikahagi to Yatsukahagi, but there is currently no article at Yatsukahagi. (It must have been deleted since the redirect was created.) Misplaced Pages policy is to get rid of redirects to non-existent pages, and someone listed Yashikahagi on WP:RfD If you want the redirect to stay, you will need to create something at Yatsukahagi (even a stub will do), or else the redirect will go away. If you do create the target, you don't have to do anything on WP:RfD (we'll eventually notice the target is there), but if you do, just delete the entry for Yashikahagi. Thanks! Noel (talk) 04:37, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I understood all that (see revised notice above); dozens of these things were just listed on RfD, and I'm trying to deal with them all; without a lot of digging, yours was the only name that was immediately to hand (on the redir). I'm just calling it to your attention - how you handle it is entirely up to you. Noel (talk) 19:43, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Misplaced Pages's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to ] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to ] all my contributions to any ], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

#wikipedia

Node, the last few times you have entered the #wikipedia (or appeared to) we have had a greeting, but no response to questions or comments. Are you using a bot with and auto-greet on entry? If so - please turn it off! Auto-greets are pointless and annoying and give a false impression of who is awake on the channel. Alternatively you could simply be having connection problems or just not replying - in which case fine. But if it's a bot then please stop the greetings until you are there in person. Thanks -- sannse (talk) 19:07, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

As you don't seem to be around to switch it off - I've set it to +q. Please let me know when you are around again, and I'll reverse it -- sannse (talk) 19:39, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

question re: Tucson, Arizona version 1 text

Node, I was reviewing the changes that have happened since I've been off taking final exams for a few days, and had a quick question for you about something I noticed in the version 1 text for Tucson, Arizona. The mountains for which Tucson was named are listed as the Baboquivari Mountains, but to the best of my knowledge, those are actually about 50 miles southwest of Tucson. A Mountain/Sentinel Peak would certainly not be a foothill of these mountains. If you have any better idea which mountain range Tucson was named for, I was wondering if you can either fix or clarify the article text. Either it IS the Baboquivari Mountains and A Mountain is NOT a foothill, or the Baboquivari Mountain reference is erroneous. Thanks! --ABQCat 21:25, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Question

Hi Node,

I got your message but I still have one question. If quails (Gambel's Quail and California Quail in particular) have any sort of language, how would you tell? Unless quails suddenly developed human vocal organs and somebody raised one bilingual English-Quail, I would think there would be no way to know if our communication is language or just random parroting (pun intended) and simple communications like "Food!".

I can tell you from my experience that my judgement is this: quails do indeed use language. I'm not sure how to describe quail speech in English, and communication varies in the quail world as it does in the human world, so I'm afraid any data I might provide you would be somewhat limited in scope and probably inaccurate even for my own community, seeing as I have lived in human society for the last few years. If I can, I might ask my mother and father for some help on this subject. I'm not sure how to transcribe calls though, and I certainly don't have access to a tape recorder (nor could I carry one. typing can be accommodated, of course, as can writing with a writing implement, but lugging around equipment is usually something I don't do unless it's small and in a backpack), and I couldn't get my parents to any sort of recording studio with formats compatible with modern human technology (quail sometimes use tiny phonograph-like devices powered by running, but the sound quality is poor and more suitable for songs and distinct calls than speech). The reason I say father AND mother is because of course mating rituals have a strong linguistic component for us, and I think my father would have a better mastery of male calls and my mother a better mastery of responses, also my mother and father speak slightly different dialects coming from different coveys. --Ifoolyou 01:44, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

note on Tucson, AZ voting

Node, I noticed you removed (in a way I consider consistent with Misplaced Pages policy) an anonymous editor's vote for the proposals. Since we were involved in the original dispute (along with GaryD and a few others), I think it might be inappropriate for us to be removing any sort of votes from the voting signups. If you notice in the future that an anonIP has voted, could you get a neutral/outside user/admin to remove it, please? Let me clarify: I believe you did nothing wrong in removing the vote, but in the interests of avoiding the appearance of impropriety, let's make sure that admins/other users remove the votes. --ABQCat 21:25, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

My Tucson vote

I appreciate your taking the time to follow up on what I said with my vote in the poll. Sorry I didn't get around to answering earlier, but by now a lot of what I would have included here has been said on IRC. I see two different points made about the O'odham name: that it's currently used by a substantial minority of area residents, and that it's older than the official name. Whether either one of these factors, alone, would support including the name in the first sentence, in your view, I don't know, but in this case they both occur. (I mentioned to you that, here in New York City, "Nueva York" is commonly heard. I'll hazard a guess that Spanish-speaking residents of NYC are a higher percentage of the population than are the O'odham in Tucson, regardless of whether we count those who are fluent in the language or only those who use it primarily or only those not fluent in English.)

My vote is based on the fact that this is the English Misplaced Pages. We assume our readers to be English speakers. The basis for decisions about such issues should be: Which alternative will best serve the English-speaking reader? That's why we put articles at their English names (like Munich). Incidentally, the article about the Dutch colony here isn't at "Nieuw Amsterdam"; it's at New Amsterdam because that's where English speakers would look for it.

In some cases, we use a parenthetical alternative to the bolded name of the article subject, in the first sentence, to avert possible confusion. I think it's OK to give a non-English official name (like München, or Nieuw Amsterdam) or a different name by which the subject might be known to a substantial number of English speakers (like Danzig). For other names, however, there's no confusion to dispel by introducing them immediately in the first sentence. Where notable, they can be discussed elsewhere in the article, as the Tucson "Version 2" does. JamesMLane 22:54, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

3RR

For violating the 3RR on Template:Wikipedialang, you are banned for 24 hours. Hey, at least you can have a Wikibreak over Christmas! - Ta bu shi da yu 03:12, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Somali Misplaced Pages

You aren't the anon who claims to speak Somali at so and shares an IP address with you, are you? Do you happen to know who he might be? - Mustafaa 16:41, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Foreign language names == "vandalism"?

node, I've tried to remain civil with you through our disagreement over articles such as Tucson, Arizona. After the vote on Tucson's article made it clear that the desire was to keep the foreign language name in its own area, instead of being listed as an alternative, I edited other similar articles to follow in line. You just reverted all my edits, calling them vandalism. Now, if you want to disagree with the edits, that's great. Let's discuss this like civil wikipedians. Let's have a disagreement like reasonable people. Let's NOT descend into calling reasonable edits "vandalism", just because we disagree with them. When you're ready to discuss this in a civil manner, I'll be happy to do so. Thanks. kmccoy (talk) 20:05, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Apology

Node, I appreciate the apology with regard to calling my edits vandalism. kmccoy (talk) 21:08, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Tucson, Arizona and more

Hi. You may have already seen the post, but I wanted to post this message here so that it's clear that I'm not trying to exclude you. I thought you might be interested in commenting on a broader application of the formatting to other city articles. The discussion (for now) is at Talk: Tucson, Arizona#Other Arizona and nearby cities. (It might get moved to WikiProject Cities, if there's interest in doing so.) Thanks! kmccoy (talk) 01:21, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hey. Would you mind just re-visiting your comments on the talk page for Tucson (Tucson, Arizona and more) and signing each of your separate comments? I ask because otherwise it'll quickly become difficult to determine who said what in response to whom. I know it's an entire series of responses, but for clarity in the discussion, I think it would be helpful. Thanks. --ABQCat 00:28, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

CDP's

I read the link that someone gave to the Census Bureau's discussion of how it designates CDP's (http://www.census.gov/geo/www/GARM/Ch9GARM.pdf). It mentioned that in some instance there's tribal participation in the process. If some of these places are CDP's and the Census gives them a Native American name, then that would make a difference to me. I'd see some point to spinning those off as a separate category for discussion purposes. Otherwise, my reasoning doesn't depend on splitting hairs about the percentage of people in a particular location who use each name, nor on an attempt to identify the "indigenous" inhabitants. (Some Native American tribes were first encountered by Europeans in areas that those Native Americans had occupied by driving out the prior inhabitants. You can't assume that Native American = indigenous, and I don't think our treatment of the name today should depend on sifting through the archaeological data to try to decide whether, for example, the O'odham were descended from the Hohokam or supplanted them.) JamesMLane 00:54, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Nauruan Misplaced Pages Logo

Hi, it seems that you can create logos. Because the request pages seem no to be viewed much, I'll post my request for the nauruan wikipedia here: NA Misplaced Pages needs a logo. The text should be: "Misplaced Pages - Encyclopedia emenengame". Thank you very much for your assistance and best wishes -- CdaMVvWgS 14:53, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Template:Node/stub

Aloha and happy new year. In the process of trying to clean out Category:Stub I noticed that you were the author of Template:Node/stub which currently doesn't link anywhere. I'm going to remove the category from this template and let you deal with it. I won't nominate it for deletion for at least a week in order to give you some time to respond. Mahalo. --Viriditas | Talk 06:10, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Armenia

Hi. I am looking for someone who can translate Armenian into English. I noticed you are on the Armenian Wiki so decided to contact you. There are three articles on the Prime Minister of Armenia for the first republic that do not have articles. I have recently written one of them. The only source of information on the remaning three is in Armenian. If you would be interested in translating them or you know someone who might be please contact me --Hierarchypedia 23:20, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I check here more often.

Moldovan Misplaced Pages

Thanks for your support on the matter, I have replied to your concerns about the "loan word" issue. How shall we go about lobbying this matter - the creation is not an issue, it already exists. The two main developments which need to be made are Wikimedia endorsement and Mediawiki development of the Latin->Cyrillic autoconversion tool and other tailoring necessary to the project. Which do you think should be done first? --Oldak Quill 16:44, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Your suggestions sound good - I would advocate an mo.wikipedia.org with tabs to flick between Latin and Cyrillic alphabets (I see no need to mirror Maldovan Latin at mo-cy.wikipedia.org). --Oldak Quill 12:35, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Runa Simitan Wikipidiya (Quechuan Misplaced Pages)

Yaw, wikimasiniy (Hi, wikipartner). I suppose you're same Node ue from Quechuan and Spanish Misplaced Pages. I'm Huhsunqu. Well, I read the messege, but I don't know exactly what to do for begin an administrator. By the way, I read you can make logoes for wiki. If you could, I'll apreciate you yo create quechuan one, it'll say "Wikipidiya, qispi insiklupidiya". --Huhsunqu 03:27, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC) (I'm in Spanish wiki, too)

PD:I've put a link to your English wiki user page in Runa Simita wikipidiya]]

Hi, again. just for questioning about quechua logo. I went to commons and meta, but nobody say nothing about and that's turning me mad. Ther've been maby communication problems here. Don't forget writing me. I'm in English now, too. --Huhsunqu 19:57, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for explanation. It's so good to know it's walking. Anyway, could you upload it as a simple file? Maby some one in Spanish wiki cold upload it. See you. --Huhsunqu 20:21, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC) PD:Do you know when wikipidiya have started?

Sorry, Node, I thought I didn't write well :P. I tried to say if you could upload this image in the English or Spanish wikipedia as a common image. Or seding it to my mail:ssakyeok@yahoo.com. Please, it's taking, as you said, most time that it has.--Huhsunqu 04:41, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Punjabi Logo

Hi,

The logo uploaded to the Punjabi (pa) Misplaced Pages is an incorrect transliteration. I've created a new logo for this Misplaced Pages and was wondering if you could upload it?

Thanks Sukh 03:00, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hi Sukh, the logo I created was using a translation told to me by a pa.wikipedian requesting a logo.

Hi, the translation for 'A 💕' is correct for the second line. However the transliteration is incorrect for the name Misplaced Pages. Phonetically, Misplaced Pages is 'Wikipiidiaa' as used in other Indic languages. However, the current transliteration is actually Wiikiipiidiiaa which is very wrong. Although the new transliteration is similar, you will notice that the big sticks with hooks (representing 'i' and 'ii') have been changed to represent the proper pronounciation of the vowel.

I would appreciate it if you could change it for me. Thank you. Sukh 14:08, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Is there any chance of getting this done? I've created the logo so it should only take a few minutes. If you are unable to change it for whatever reason, please inform me of the correct procedure so that I can get it changed some other way. Thanks. Sukh 16:25, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Finally managed to get sysop and have this done. Thanks anyway! Sukh 01:53, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

deletionism and wikibooks

First of all, if you are not also Node_ue on wikibooks (I saw no indication here), you have an imposter. If this is the same user, you should add a link in an obvious and visible location. Presuming that this is the same user...

I notice you seem to be having trouble with deletionism over on wikibooks. I'd like to investigate that at least. To do so, I need admin rights. (normal users are unable to view deleted pages) Please support me in getting admin rights so that I can investigate all these suspicous goings on, including a few policy violations.

AlbertCahalan 00:22, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Oh, if you don't mind...

There's a VfD on wikibooks listing Cookbook:Placenta. I know this is an unusual one, but people really do serve it. I hope you can find it in your heart to help save this one, even if it does make you feel a bit ill.

Troubles

Hey, buddy; somehow I can not log in in quechuan wiki. What's going on? --Huhsunqu 04:04, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for worrying, byt don't worry more, I've solutionated it. Abaut the logo, it's so cool! I lik that modified Q. By the way, I've put the request for switching it in Meta-W. But, if you tech me, I can do it. Thanks much. --Huhsunqu 01:52, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC) Ah, I've been talking to the others administrators of Amerincan Langages' Wikis for cooperate between us. Inuktitut has already said yes.

Armenian Wiki

First of all, I'm very pleased to know that someone from English community is interested in Armenian Wiki, so thank you very much. I will follow the rules about signing, thanks for warning about it.
Second, It would be fantastic to have armenian interface, I can say I'm dreaming about it:) so would you help me if you're admin (I cant recognize them, because i'm very new to know much) or if you're not then can you advise me how to contact an admin for such objective?
Third of all, It would be very kind of you to make our logo. The text is like this

Misplaced Pages - Վիքիփեդիա, or all capitalized
WIKIPEDIA- ՎԻՔԻՓԵԴԻԱ, choose as needed
"Freedom" is - Ազատություն, so "free" would be like - Ազատ,
Encyclopedia - Հանրագիտարան

And if you'll need something to translate, or info, or anything I can provide, please let me know.
Thank you.Toxic01:39, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Armenian Logo

Wow, thanx very, very much, it's very cute, but it is only in images page, may it be a way to put in on air?, I mean to replace, original version, so it will be on main page?

Tamajaq, the Tuareg language page

Hello, wikipedian Node,

I am Ameno your wikibrother, I want to create a wikipage in Tamajaq, the Tuareg language, in Tifinagh, the Tuareg alphabet.

Please help.

Tanimmert. Ameno

Thanks, wikipedian Node,

Yes, I speak all Tuareg dialects, Southern/Nothern of: Azawagh, Ayr mountains, Ahaggar, Ajjer, and can also help in Tamazight (Berber).

But, is it possible to use the Tifinagh fonts?

Har tufat (a demain). Ameno

"Mainland China" vs. "People's Republic of China"

Hello Node. Would you be interested to join the discussion and the poll at Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)? — Instantnood 17:35, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Oyik Node, (hello). Isalan? (What news?).

Aregh ad essenagh kud neddobat ad nafer es logo wan Tamajaq wiki, is tifinagh. I would like to know if we can begin by making a logo for Tamajaq wiki, in Tifinagh.

Har tufat. Until tomorrow.

Ameno

Moldovan language

Hi Node. Could you please see my message on your talk page at meta regarding the use of mo.wikipedia.org for articles in Cyrillic script. Thanks, Ronline 07:02, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

ROC's highway system

Re: " Are there actually any highways in the RoC outside of Taiwan? I always got the impression that Quemoy and Matsu were rather small. "

I wonder too. But there are several class of highways, from national, provincial, county to township. There could be some township highways on Quemoy and Matsu. By the way, the discussion here (in Chinese) seems quite interesting. — Instantnood 11:05, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

Chinese languages

I noticed your comment at MetaWiki. The proposal for Misplaced Pages for Chinese languages has been there for several months, long before Zhengzhu's programme to convert between Traditional/Simplified characters was invented. :-) — Instantnood 11:19, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

Moldovan Misplaced Pages response

Hi Node, thanks for what I felt what a very extensive and neutral response regarding the Moldovan Misplaced Pages. I reckoned I would respond here since you probably visit en.wiki most often. I do have some issues to raise, however.

Your figures show that Cyrillic, is overall used in a very small percentage of people, both relatively and absolutely. If in the range of 1-2% of people use Cyrillic rather than Latin script, that is still a very small proportion. Now, i'm a person who actively supports minority languages and Wikipedias in these languages and, as far as I gather, you do as well. However, we're still talking about very small numbers here for a script that doesn't even have official backing (except from the Transnistria government, which is not official). You said 30% of all the people who claim that they speak "Moldavian, not Romanian" or "Transdnistrian" prefer the Cyrillic alphabet to the Latin alphabet. So basically, 30% of, or a minority of, if you like, anti-Romanian, Moldovan nationalist people prefer Cyrillic. So the script doesn't even have majority backing among people who regard themsleves as speaking Moldovan/Transnistrian Moldovan. Now, I think it's a bit unconventional that when people go to the Moldovan-language Misplaced Pages, Cyrillic takes precedence over Latin script. I'm not saying Latin script is any better - in fact, to be perfectly honest, Cyrillic script probably represents the language just as well. However, Latin script remains not only the official script of Moldovan but also the most widely used.

Therefore, it's a bit nonsensical to say that mo.wiki should be used only for Cyrillic. I do understand however, the argument that "Latin Moldovan speakers already have the ro.wiki", and I agree it's now worth duplicating Latin-script content at mo.wiki. However, I still think it is fairly insulting to both Romanians and Latin-script Moldovans that the mo.wiki is written in Cyrillic. Personally, I don't find it insulting, but I think many other people do, and will in the future. For Misplaced Pages, it seems a bit POV that we're supporting Cyrillic script to such an extent that we're transforming it into the "official script" for Moldovan language, even if there are clear links to Romanian content. For that reason, I propose that we keep the mo.wiki as redirecting to ro.wiki, and also linked to a mo-cyrillic domain which hosts the Cyrillic version. This would simply make it clear that Cyrillic is a minority script. This hasn't yet been done for any other examples - i.e. Serbian Misplaced Pages, but it could be done in the future. The fact is that the Romano-Moldovan context is a lot more complicated than the Serbo-Croatian context. With Croatian, it's written in Latin script. With Serbian, it's written mainly in Cyrillic script. Hence, even though they're basically the same language, it's a very easy decision to make regarding scripting. With Romano-Moldovan, it's much more complex. Both Romania and Moldova use Latin, but a minority of people in Moldova use Cyrillic. Then, there's the Transnistria issue, which, as you said, has official script as Cyrillic.

Concerning your point on ro.wiki inclusiveness, let me tell you some context about the Moldovan-Romanian relations and how inclusiveness would be perceived. These aren't my opinions, just opinions I've come across in Romanians. Sorry if I'm going into too much depth here, I just think it's good to clear up this issue in a detailed, non-superficial manner. So, I've found that there are two types of Romanians regarding Moldova:

• The Moldovan supporters - these people mainly regard Moldova as an integral part of Romania and support unification. These people strongly deny the existence of a Moldovan language. Now, I can imagine that they wouldn't take it too nicely to have the Romanian Misplaced Pages renamed Romano-Moldovan Misplaced Pages, not because they have anything against Moldova, but because they say that Moldovans and Romanians are the same people, and should just be called Romanians. These are the people which refer to Moldova as "Basarabia", a usage which personally I dislike a lot, since it basically assumes that Moldova isn't really an independent country.
• The Moldovan opposers - these people, one of which is Danutz, are patriotic Romanians who don't regard Moldovans as Romanians. They recognise the common historical link, but basically look down upon Moldovans and the Moldovan language as fairly backward. These people don't want close relations with Moldova, mainly because they believe Moldova is anti-Romanian. Interestingly, they also see Moldovan as the Romanian language. They would probably say that it's unfair that Romanian and Moldovan are given equal status, when Moldovan is spoken by less people and "isn't even a language". People like this would say, "if you recognise that you're speaking Moldovan, then don't join our Misplaced Pages. Go and found your own mo.wiki. Ro.wiki is only for those who recognise that they speak Romanian.

Now, from a NPOV, I still think it's a bit over-to-the-top to suggest that the Romanian Misplaced Pages should be renamed to the Romanian-Moldovan Misplaced Pages. I mean, 1/27th isn't a significant proportion, and making them equal with the other 27 million Romanian speakers isn't all that good an idea. It is a really complex issue, though, and the resolution lies in the fact of whether Moldovan is a separate language after all. You've decided to maintain a NPOV on this, but I think it's important to actually "solve" this problem since it's key to the case. Linguistically, they're the same language, but then again so are many other "separated" languages like Serbian/Bosnian/Croatian. Politically, they're different languages, and if we have a different Bosnian and Croatian wiki, we should also have a different Romanian and Moldovan wiki. Then, that Moldovan wiki should be in Latin script, because that's the official and most-widely used variant. In order to compound work, we could combine efforts and form a ro.wiki, but I'm not sure about the renaming to Romanian-Moldovan. We would have to do a poll on that, but I predict that it will be nearly unanimous that people will vote against a "Romanian-Moldovan" naming. I think the best way to get out of this situation is create a Moldovan Misplaced Pages for Cyrillic script at a separate subdomain, and keep the mo.wiki as a redirection wiki which can take you either to a Cyrillic version or the Romanian wiki in Latin script. I know that technically it's a bit stupid, because it would just create a redundant ro.wiki, but I don't think we'll be having problems if we implement this structure - the "Romanian nationalists" can't say anything, because a separate subdomain is set up, and the Moldovan-Cyrillic supporters also can't say anything, because at least they have their own wiki. What do you think? Ronline 09:23, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

PS: Concerning the Cyrillic alphabet and representation, I really have no idea, because I can't read in that alphabet (I'm from western Transylvania by the way, which is a world away from Moldova and the controversies related to it). However, concerning sounds, the и character is the 'standard' i, while the й is like an ending I, which is still sounded but not accentuated. The ь character is barely sounded, like in "Bucureşti" or "ţări". So, yes there is a difference, mainly to do with the accent and length of the sound. It's pretty great that the Cyrillic alphabet has these subtleties.

Thanks for your quick response. Concerning "If there is an mo-cyrillic, why not an mo-latin, ro-latin, and ro-cyrillic", it isn't the same. This is because there would be no need for mo-latin or ro-latin because Latin script is official for these languages. So, technically, there shouldn't even be a Moldovan Cyrillic Misplaced Pages because there already is a Moldovan (Moldo-Romanian) Latin Misplaced Pages. Hence, we need the mo-cyrillic at the end for this to show that we're forming a minority, or non-official, version of Misplaced Pages in a different script. "The Moldovan Misplaced Pages will, in theory, give equal treatment to both scripts." Well, no it won't, simply because the mo.wiki will be exclusively Cyrillic, despite the Latin notices at the start. All interwiki links which say "Moldoveana" will be to Cyrillic articles. People will think Moldovan is written mainly in Cyrillic script! "I'd be surprised if it's really that important to you" - to me personally, it's not really that important! It is important to the broader Romanian wiki community, though, especially since the mo.wiki will grow, much further than 50 visits a year, and it could potentially become a much bigger issue than it currently is now. What is pretty frustrating is the we aren't getting any input from the Mo-cyrillic contributors, who are still using anonymous IPs and who should actually be the ones getting more say in this. Ronline | Talk @ ro 12:23, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not trying to say that Misplaced Pages should follow official policy, but when something is both official and endorsed by the majority, I think those are very strong grounds. In this case, Moldovan is official in the Latin alphabet and the overwhelming majority use it in the Latin alphabet, so that provides strong grounds for mo.wiki being in the Latin alphabet. The other thing is that every decision we make is a point-of-view, even though Misplaced Pages is centered around the ideology of NPOV. One of Misplaced Pages's POVs is that it supports minority and regional language. This is why there is a Sicilian Misplaced Pages - the other POV would be that Sicilian is a dialect of Italian. Now, fact is that there are more grounds for proving Sicilian is a separate language, and coupled by the demand for a scn.wiki + Misplaced Pages's policy towards regional languages, we have a scn.wiki. Misplaced Pages has become so great due to this approach of tolerance and equality, and I'm not advocating against that. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a Cyrillic mo.wiki, it just shouldn't be the principal mo.wiki. A good example you gave was the Tatar Misplaced Pages. Now, we had the choice of choosing either Latin or Cyrillic. The "right" choice is Cyrillic, because that is the official version. Now I'm not that familiar with Tatar, but as far as I gather, Latin is used by more people and Untifler, the main contributor, uses Latin, and therefore Latin was chosen. Hence, Misplaced Pages showed a point-of-view, or bias, towards Latin. Now I personally agree with using Latin for Tatar, but by no means is it the only "right" decision. Because no-one's complained until now, there hasn't been a problem, but what if someone turns up and wants to create a Tatar wiki in Cyrillic script? You said "I think it is rediculous to use it as a redirect and then have a separate, longer domain for the simple reason that Cyrillic is not an official script." - I think what you mean here is that practically it is stupid to leave mo.wiki blank and form a new subdomain. Practically, yes. But at the same time, we must realise that sometimes the correct alternative may be a bit impractical yet we still need to do it. For example, it would be more pratical for South Africa to have just one official language - English, because nearly everyone understands it. However, it has 11 official languages in order to protect the African languages, which is the right and logical thing to do, yet it's impractical. So, by transforming mo.wiki into a Cyrillic-only wiki, which is will actually be (except for the main page), Misplaced Pages will be adopting the POV that it supports Cyrillic more than Latin for Moldovan. I know that's not really the case, but it makes it seem that way. Concerning assumptions on script based on interwiki, people will assume such things. They will see links to Moldovan articles in Cyrillic, it will really make it seem as if Cyrillic is the predominant script, which also has negative historical connotations due to Russia's domination over the Moldovan people and the imposition by force of the Cyrillic script during the USSR period. At the same time, I feel those 10% of people are important, I'm not trying to ignore their demands. However, they are a minority and, to say it bluntly, they don't deserve to be treated as a majority. It's also interesting that people have only made the demand for a secondary script on Moldo-Romanian. This hasn't happened for Tatar, Serbian and many other languages written in two or more scripts. I do think however that it will only be a matter of time before such things happen. Ronline | Talk @ ro 06:50, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"China"/"PRC" vs. "mainland China" for page titles

Following the long discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (Chinese) regarding proper titling of Mainland China-related topics, polls for each single case has now been started here. Please come and join the discussion, and cast your vote. Thank you. — Instantnood 12:48, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)

I need your help

Hello Node. A request for arbitration has been filed against me at WP:RFAr by Snowspinner as the AMA advocate for jguk. What do you think I can do? — Instantnood 20:45, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Node. I will contact you when I need your help. — Instantnood 23:43, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Wiksimitaqi (Wikctionary)

Hi, Node. Allillanchu? I'm Huhsunqu. You'll see. I've post a request for the logo of quechuan Wiktionary (Wiksimitaqi) but, as you're maby wondering, nobody gave me any answer. I've been questioning if you can also make wiktionary logoes. Would you help us? Ah! by the way, qu: has got a new Main Page design, as soon as possible it'll have an a Help section to English speakers. Thanks. --Huhsunqu 00:14, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC) PD: If you say yes, logo must say: "Wiksimitaqi - s., Wikimedia-pa qispi Runa Simipin simitaqi."

Your vote being taken off

Hello Node I would like to tell you that a vote you cast at Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (Chinese)/NPOV/Taiwan vs. ROC was taken off by this ip address. — Instantnood 07:09, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

"Xinjiang" in Uyghur

Hi Node, do you know what's the correct way of writing "Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region" in Uyghur? -- ran (talk) 21:45, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks node... what's wrong with the name given at Xinjiang, though? I thought Uyghur distinguished between "ya'" with two dots and without - the first one for the consonant, the second one for the vowel?

I don't think we have any native Yi names... or any native names so far, for that matter, except for a few exceptions (Guangxi). We don't even have Tibetan names for anything beyond Tibet Autonomous Region... -- ran (talk) 12:48, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

It would be great if you had any of these names.... I know that I don't. :P .. What do you have in mind, actually? Emailing the local governments? (Will they even reply? For some reason I doubt it.... they're probably all too busy "maintaining advanced ideological thinking" or something.) Or looking for it in a government publication or almanac? Or perhaps a dictionary or some other type of reference in a library... -- ran (talk) 07:05, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

Whoa, now I'm impressed. Where did you find the names? -- ran (talk) 22:54, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

TW

There's a dispute between me and a couple users who want to label Taiwan a "nation". If you can, please take a look at Talk:Taiwan and weigh in...--Jiang 06:28, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Update to Birdidae articles

Just so that you know I have made an update to your birdidae article and also believe that your talk page needs a clean-up. MyNameIsNotBob 08:09, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

Uyghur spellings

You should have looked at some source before you edited Uyghur names, for example the section on the alphabet in the article on the Uyghur language (Uyghur_language#Writing_system). Some of your recent "corrections" are wrong, for example "ئۈرۈمقی (Ürümk̢i)" instead of the correct ئۈرۈمچى (Ürümqi). Babelfisch 00:56, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

India

Hey you seem to be multilingual. I am currently trying to add as many interwiki links to the India page. Would you be kind enough to make a new page for India in all the languages you know. Thanks for your efforts,  =Nichalp (Talk)= 11:09, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Could you let me know which ones are incorrect? Most of the translations of the page are rendered as India. I have also taken the courtsey of asking key editors of that language wikipedias to add the page. I admit some of them may be incorrect, but after a week after I revisit the site, I find that either the page is redirected or the contents added. I only had a problem for Vietnamese and Belorussion. The former now has a page and for the latter I've put up a request. In my recent edits, I have realised that it may be construed as vandalism, so have have only put up images. Thanks,  =Nichalp (Talk)= 05:42, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

Hi. I noticed that you removed the sw, tpi & ps. For tpi see: (http://tpi.wikipedia.org/Gandi). From Afghanistan: ps: & ar: have the same unicode rendering. I've derived the sw: version from here: (http://sw.wikipedia.org/Kiingereza). -- I'll contact someone on those wikipedias for a translation. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.  =Nichalp (Talk)= 06:25, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

A clarification: km:India was added by a native speaker of Khmer, User:Squash; he might add to that later (you may check the history there). While I am guilty of adding to many wikipedias, please keep in mind that in some there is no rendering of India in the local native American languages, and I believed that the name was true. I have stopped editing in other wikipedias, if there is no obvious India page. (But if there is an India version in a red link I will add the images and try a rudimentary translation like I did in tpi and jv). PS. I have been largely sucessful in having the pages translated as you may have seen. Anyways, I've finished most of my translations & I've put up requests for yiddish, mongolian and a few others.  =Nichalp (Talk)= 20:33, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

Might I also suggest that instead of putting the above mentioned pages up for deleting, the same can be stubbed into the actual article?  =Nichalp (Talk)= 20:35, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

Translation

As per the policy on the english wikipedia and a few other wikipedias, any non-english text is put up for translation. If there are different ways that the name can be rendered, the present page is redirected to its local name. As I glean in meta, all country articles are needed to be translated. Therefore I don't think you should put up all the India pages I've created for deletion when it needs to be translated to the local languages. Though, I've put written it in english, I have also been kind enough to include national images and interwiki links to all the wikipedias in the hope that a non-English wikipedian will get at the least a visual clue as to what the article is about.

Here's the text that I think should be translated: The Republic of India is located in South Asia and shares its borders with Pakistan, the People's Republic of China, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Nepal and Bhutan. Sri Lanka, the Maldives, and Indonesia are the adjacent island nations. India is the second most populous country in the world with a population of over one billion, and is the seventh largest country by geographical area. Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism are the main religions in India.

Thanks for the reply,  =Nichalp (Talk)= 06:31, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Yiddish translation.  =Nichalp (Talk)= 10:14, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Talk Page Clean-Up

In accordance with Wikipaedia bylaws, you must clean up your talk page, or it will be deleted. Clean-Up includes deleting all comments you find to be critical of your views, changing comments retroactively to make other people seem like they were full of shit when they left you a comment, and of course, translating your entire talk page into Limba Sarda, or Tok Pisin. Or Ainu.--sébastien, ネーサン・ピアッツァ, 寧森, 彭立生, JojoBob McBugelheimburgerson 01:33, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

Question about the Zakimi gusuku article that you wrote

What was your source for this article?*Kat* 02:02, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! *Kat* 01:14, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

Romanian language/Moldovan language

Would you please look again at the lead paragraph of Romanian language? Even without the sentence you wanted to restore, it already mentions "Moldovan language" and that the latter is the official name in Moldova. Surely we don't need to say that twice in one short paragraph. -- Jmabel | Talk June 29, 2005 05:58 (UTC)

Kanuni ya majina

Pengine unataka kujibu juu ya Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (languages)#Proposed addition? Kwa heri, — mark ✎ 30 June 2005 12:32 (UTC)

Logo font

Hi, I'm wondering what fonts you use for the Misplaced Pages logos, and eventually where to get it? Also, I was wondering why you overwrote the logo I made on bs:Image:Wiki.png with an image that was exactly the same, except the file size was bigger? Jon Harald Søby 2 July 2005 19:58 (UTC)

Image:Phoberomys pattersoni.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Phoberomys pattersoni.jpg. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Until a more informative tag is provided, it will be listed as {{no source}} or {{no license}}. Could you add a better tag to let us know its source and/or copyright status? If you made the image yourself, an easy way to deal with this is add {{GFDL}} if you're willing to release it under the GFDL. Alternatively, you could release all rights to it by adding {{NoRightsReserved}}. This would allow anyone to do whatever they wish with your image, without exceptions. However, if it isn't your own image, you need to specify what free license it was distributed under. You can find a list of the tags here. If it was not distributed under a free license, but you claim fair use, add {{fairuse}} but you need to substantiate your claim by explaining why you think it's fair use. If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images by posting to my talk page. If you do this, I can tag them for you. Thanks. RedWolf July 8, 2005 07:31 (UTC)

Differences between Zlatiborian and Serbian

Certainly, Node! Thanks for your willing! Well, Zlatiborian, Serbian, Bosnian, and Croatian are very similar languages. However, there are some basic differences. Zlatiborian uses the Ijekavian pronounce, while Serbian uses the Ekavian. That means that 60% of words have different form. Well, a Zlatiborian can always understand a Serb without of any translation, as well as he can understand a Bosniak, a Croat, or a Montenegrin. The main similarity is the script. Both languages use the Cyrillic script, which is why most of Serbs (especially the nationalists) claim that there's no Zlatiborian language. The other differences are some special words (like Zlatiborian međed instead of Serbian medved, or kurijak instead of vuk, prišelo instead of priselo, etc.), and accent. Most of Zlatiborian words are differently stressed than Serbian.

It trully is very hard to make a line between the South Slavic languages. They all are similar. Zlatiborian is different from Serbian as much as Bulgarian is different from Macedonian, Macedonian from Serbian, Serbian from Bosnian, Bosnian from Croatian, and Croatian from Slovenian...

I'm very glad that some Wikipedian with bigger expiriens would like to help in creating the new Misplaced Pages. Maybe we could create the Zlatiborian Misplaced Pages, and than we shall see are the languages different enough! Thank you again, Node!

Здраво, Node! I was looking for some good example of the difference between Serbian and Zlatiborian. So I decided to translate the first part of the article about English language from Misplaced Pages to both languages. Now, I don’t know how good you can understand the Cyrillic script, but all the different words and phrases in Zlatiborian are bold:

ENGLISH:

The English language is a West Germanic language that originated in England from Old English (Anglo-Saxon), which in turn developed from languages brought by settlers from areas in modern-northern Germany and Denmark. It is the second most common first language, with around 340 million native speakers worldwide. English has lingua franca (diplomatic language) status in many parts of the world, due to the military, economic, scientific, political and cultural influence of the United Kingdom in the 18th and 19th centuries and the United States beginning in the 20th century. It is the most widely learned second language, due largely to the former extent of the British Empire in the 19th and early 20th century and to the enormous influence the United States has exerted through radio, television, cinema, scientific publications and the Internet in recent decades.

History

English is descended from languages spoken by Germanic tribes that migrated from what is now northern Germany and perhaps Denmark to what is now England. These tribes are traditionally identified as the Frisians, Angles, Saxons, and Jutes. According to the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, around the year 449, Vortigern, King of the British Isles, issued an invitation to the "Angle kin" (Angles, led by Hengest and Horsa) to help him against the Picts. In return, the Angles were granted lands in the South-East. Further aid was sought, and in response "came men of Ald Seaxum of Anglum of Iotum" (Saxons, Angles, and Jutes). The Chronicle talks of a subsequent influx of settlers who eventually established seven kingdoms. Modern scholarship considers most of this story to be legendary and politically motivated. These Germanic invaders dominated the original Celtic-speaking inhabitants, whose languages survived largely in Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, and Ireland. The dialects spoken by these invaders formed what would be called Old English, which was a very similar language to modern Frisian. Later, it was also strongly influenced by the North Germanic language Old Norse, spoken by Norse who settled mainly in the North-East (see Jorvik). English, England, and East Anglia are derived from words referring to the Angles: Englisc, Angelcynn, and Engleland. For the 300 years following the Norman Conquest in 1066, the Kings of England spoke only French, using it as the Court language. A large number of French words were assimilated into Old English, some words doubling with Saxon words (for instance ox and beef, sheep and mutton). The Old English also lost most of its inflections, resulting in Middle English. Around the year 1500, the Great Vowel Shift transformed Middle English to Modern English. The most famous surviving works from Old and Middle English are Beowulf and Geoffrey Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales, respectively. Modern English, the language described by this article, began its rise around the time of William Shakespeare.

Classification and related languages

The English language belongs to the western sub-branch of the Germanic branch of the Indo-European family of languages. The closest living relative of English is Scots (Lallans), a West Germanic language spoken mostly in Scotland and parts of Northern Ireland. Like English, Scots is a direct descendant of Old English, also known as Anglo-Saxon. After Scots, the next closest relatives are Frisian - spoken in the Netherlands and Germany - and modern Low Saxon language, spoken primarily in northern Germany. Other less closely related living languages include Dutch, Afrikaans, German and the Scandinavian languages. Many French words are also intelligible to an English speaker (pronunciations are not always identical, of course), as English absorbed a tremendous amount of vocabulary from the Norman language after the Norman conquest and from French in further centuries; as a result, a substantial share of English vocabulary is quite close to the French, with some minor spelling differences (word endings, use of old French spellings, etc.), as well as occasional differences in meaning.

SERBIAN:

Eнглески језик је западно-германски језик који је настао у Енглеској од старог енглеског (англо-саксонског), који се развио од језика које су донели досељеници из регија у данашњој северној Немачкој и Данској. То је други најкориштенији матерњи језик, са око 340 милиона корисника широм света. Енглески има статус lingua franca (дипломатски језик) у многим деловима света, због војног, економског, научног, политичког и културолошког утицаја Уједињеног Краљевства у 18. и 19. веку и Сједињених Америчких Држава почетком 20. века. То је језик који се највише учи, захваљујући величини бивше Британске империје у 19. и раном 20. веку и утицаја који САД има преко радија, телевизије, филма, научних публикација и интернета у скорашњим декадама.

Историја

Енглески је потомак језика које су говорила германска племена која су мигрирала из земаља које се данас налазе на северу Немачке и можда Данске у земљу која је данас Енглеска. Ова племена се традиционално идентификују као Фрижани, Англи, Сакси и Јути. Према Англо-саксонској хроници, око године 449, Вортигерн, краљ Британских острва, позвао је "краља Англа" (Англи, вођени Хенгестом и Хорсом) да му помогну против Пикта. У повратку, Англима су додељене земље на југоистоку. Даље савезништво је било тражено, а као одговор "дошао је човек од Алд Сеаксума од Англума од Јотума" (Сакси, Англи и Јути). Хроника говори о следећем приливу досељеника који су успоставили седам краљевстава. Модерно схоларство сматра да је већина ових прича легендарна и политички смишљена. Ови германски освајачи доминирали су оригиналним келтским становницима, чији језици су преживели већином у Шкотској, Велсу, Корнволду и Ирској. Дијалекти које су говорили ови освајачи формирали су оно што је прозвано старим енглеским, који је био врло сличан језик модерном фрижинском. Касније, био је под јаким утицајем северно-германског језика стари норшки, који су говорили Норси који су насељавали углавном североисток (види Јорвик). Енглески, Енглеска и Источна Англија потичу од речи које се односе на Англе: Englisc, Angelcynn и Engleland. 300 година након освајања Нормана 1066, краљеви Енглеске говорили су само француски, користећи га као судски језик. Велики број француских речи биле су асимилиране у стари енглески, неке као дупликати саксонских речи (на пример ox и beef, sheep и mutton). Стари енглески је такође изгубио много своје деклинације, резултирајући у средњи енглески језик. Око године 1500, Велика смена вокала трансформисала је средњи енглески у модерни енглески. Најпознатији сачувани радови на старом и средњем енглеском су Беовулф и Бајке из Кантербурија Геофрија Чосера. Модерни енглески, језик описан у овом чланку, почео је да се уздиже отприлике у време Виљема Шекспира.

Класификација и сродни језици

Енглески језик припада западној подграни германске гране Индо-европске фамилије језика. Најближи живући сродник енглеског је шкотс (лалански), западно-германски језик који се углавном говори у Шкотској и деловима Северне Ирске. Као енглески, шкотс је директни потомак старог енглеског, такође знаног као англо-саксонски. После шкотса, следећи најближи сродник је фрижински, који се говори у Холандији и Немачкој, и модерни доњосаксонски језик, који се говори претежно у северној Немачкој. Други мање сродни живући језици су холандски, африканс, немачки и скандинавски језици. Многе француске речи су такође познате енглеском говорнику (изговори нису увек идентични, свакако), јер је енглески абсорбовао оргоман део речника из норманског језика након норманских освајача, и из француског у наредним вековима; што је резултирало блискост енглеског и француског речника, са неким мањим разликама у спеловању (свршеци речи, кориштење старог француског спеловања, и сл.), као и понеке разлике у значењу.

ZLATIBORIAN:

Eнглески језик је западно-германски језик који је настао у Енглеској од старо-енглеског (англо-саксонског), који се развио од језика које су донијели досељеници из области у данашњој сјеверној Њемачкој и Данској. То је други најкоришћенији матерњи језик, са око 340 милиона корисника широм свијета. Енглески има статус lingua franca (дипломатског језика) у многим дијеловима свијета, због војног, економског, научног, политичког и културолошког утицаја Сједињеног Краљевства у XVIII и XIX стољећу и Сједињених Америчких Држава почетком XX стољећа. То је језик који се највише учи, захваљујући величини бившег Британског Царства у XIX и раном XX стољећу и утицаја који САД има пријеко радија, телевизије, филма, научних публикација и Интернета у скорашњим деценијама.

Повијест

Енглески је потомак језика које су говорила германска племена која су мигрирала из земаља које се данас налазе на сјеверу Њемачке и можда Данске у земљу која је данас Енглеска. Ова племена се традиционално означавају као Фризијанци, Англи, Сакси и Јути. Према Англо-саксонској хроници, око године 449, Вортигерн, краљ Британског острвља, позвао је "краља Англа" (Англи, вођени Хенгестом и Хорсом) да му помогну против Пикта. У повратку, Англима су додијељене земље на југоистоку. Даље савезништво је било тражено, а као одговор "дошао је човјек од Алд Сеаксума од Англума од Јотума" (Сакси, Англи и Јути). Хроника говори о сљедећем приливу досељеника који су успоставили седам краљевстава. Савремено Схоларство сматра да је већина ових прича легендарна и политички измишљена. Ови германски освајачи доминирали су првобитним келтским становништвом, чији језици су преживјели већином у Шкотској, Велсу, Корнволду и Ирској. Дијалекти које су говорили ови освајачи формирали су оно што је названо старо-енглеским, који је био веома сличан језик савременом фризијанском. Касније, био је под јаким утицајем сјеверно-германског језика старо-норшког, који су говорили Норзи који су насељавали углавном сјевероисток (види Јорвик). Енглески, Енглеска и Источна Англија потичу од ријечи које се односе на Англе: Englisc, Angelcynn и Engleland. 300 година након освајања Нормана 1066, краљеви Енглеске говорили су само француски, користећи га као језик Суда. Велики број француских ријечи било је прихваћено у старо-енглеском, неке као дублети саксонских ријечи (на примјер ox и beef, sheep и mutton). Старо-енглески је такође изгубио много свог склањања, дајући средње-енглески језик. Око године 1500, Велика смјена самогласника преобличила је средње-енглески у савремени енглески. Најпознатији сачувани радови на старом и средњем енглеском су Беовулф и Бајке из Кантербурија Геофрија Чосера. Савремени енглески, језик описан у овом чланку, почео је да се уздиже отприлике у вријеме Вилијема Шекспира.

Класификација и сродни језици

Енглески језик припада западној грани германске групе индо-европске породице језика. Најближи живи сродник енглеског је шкотс (лалански), западно-германски језик који се углавном говори у Шкотској и дијеловима Сјеверне Ирске. Као енглески, шкотс је директни потомак старо-енглеског, такође знаног као англо-саксонски. Послије шкотса, сљедећи најближи сродник је фризијански, који се говори у Низоземској и Њемачкој, и савремени доњосаксонски језик, који се говори претежно у сјеверној Њемачкој. Други мање сродни живи језици су низоземски, африканс, њемачки и скандинавски језици. Многе француске ријечи су такође познате енглеском говорнику (изговори нису увијек исти, свакако), јер је енглески прихватиo оргоман дио рјечника из норманског језика након норманских освајача, и из француског у наредним стољећима; што је довело до блискости енглеског и француског рјечника, са неким мањим разликама у писању (завршеци ријечи, коришћење старог француског правописа, и сл.), као и понеке разлике у значењу.

There! Differences exist! Tell me is it possible to make the Zlatiborian Misplaced Pages, please! George D. Bozovic]

I must notice that George's Zlatiborian translation has a few small mistakes. For example, there should be written шјевер, шљедећи, and шједињено instead of сјевер, сљедећи, and сједињено. That's one grammatical consonant change typical for some Slavic languages. Plus, words старо-енглески средње-енглески etc. shouldn't have hyphen.--SellackAlex 13:56, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Really, there is not such thing as Zlatiborian language. What Mr. Bozovic calls "Zlatiborian" language is only ijekavijan variant of Serbian (Serbian has officially recognized ijekavian and ekavian variants), together with some localisms. Not by far enough to call it a separate language. Not to mention the fact that nobody, and I repeat, nobody on the last census in Serbia declared to speak Zlatiborian. Also, check Talk:Montenegrin_language --RockyMM 22:10, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

It is really interesting to observe how the defunct Serbo-Craoation languages have given birth to so many languages that now have their own Misplaced Pages. I wonder if we should also create an Austrian or an Australian Misplaced Pages. Another possibility would be to create an algorithm that translates automatically between Serbian and Zlatiborian or between the Romanian language and the Moldovan language, etc. Thus, a full-swing Zlatiborian Misplaced Pages could be created on the spot. For example, the Misplaced Pages in traditional chinese is identical to that in simplified Chinese. Andreas 15:58, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

"un extrait de la Déclaration Universelle des Droits de l'Homme en arabe maghrébin"

Nice find! Can't see it getting read too much, but it's an interesting idea. - Mustafaa 12:28, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Amharic Misplaced Pages

Hello,

I have done a very little on Amharic Misplaced Pages, but not much, because I don't have any efficient procedure for typing in feedel. In fact, I have to cut and paste each letter one at a time from the article Geez, and that is very time consuming. If there were a better way, I would write all kinds of articles, but I don't know of any. Thanks, Codex Sinaiticus 04:19, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I downloaded that program but can't figure out the first thing about how it works... Regards, Codex Sinaiticus 05:05, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

OK, as you can see, I am rolling now with typing the fonts! I am also ready, willing and able to start working on the user interface for Amwiki. Could you go ahead and get me sysop? Many thanks, Codex Sinaiticus 16:30, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually, it looks like I might already be a sysop there, since I now have these nifty 'block' and 'delete' buttons all over the place... Cheers... Codex Sinaiticus 16:33, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I am happy to report that this has been a resounding success, we have been bubbling up the charts and now stand at 29 articles (up from 2)... I'm quite proud of what we've done so far; I would particularly like to commend User Elfalem for sysop, since he has been contributing even more than I have to this project... Any chance you could swing that for me? Cheers, Codex Sinaiticus 05:05, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

thanks, but I also appreciate whoever started the amharic wikipedia - elfalem

Re: Oriya Misplaced Pages

Hi Node,

Thanks for dropping me a line about Oriya wikipedia. The challenge I am facing is on Oriya fonts. There is not enough font support for Oriya language, also the unicode support is not good. This results in different type of rendering by Firefox and IE. I recently tried inserting pure unicode (e.g. ଓଡ଼ିଆ) but editing of the text becomes difficult, so I stopped. I am not sure how to proceed though I am interested in building it up.

For your reference http://www.dharitri.com (Oriya news website) uses flash for cross browser rendering where as http://www.thesamaja.com (another news portal) uses a custom font that requires the user to install the font on the machine. Both of which is not possible here. Unicode doesn't support all type of Oriya language rendering to my knowledge.

Clarification regarding translating the text "Misplaced Pages -- the 💕": Do you want me to create the logo or just translate the text? I will confirm the translation with few of my Oriya friends and get back to you. Also, if you want me to create the logo, please give me some hints on where to start.

Thanks,

Jyotirmaya 05:42, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Node, I am sorry for the delay in response. I have two images attached below.

The first one is the name "Misplaced Pages" in Oriya.

File:Oriya.wikipedia.jpg

And the picture below is the translation for "the 💕"

File:Oriya.the.free.encyclopedia.jpg

Thanks for your help in creating the logo. Feel free to drop me a line if you have any suggestions or need any further clarification.

Thanks, Jyotirmaya 22:20, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

PS: Sorry for the size of the images, but I wanted them to be clear enough to be reproduced.

IM

Node, I'm rarely on Yahoo Messenger these days. I access the internet at home via AOL. If you have AIM, let me know what your screen name is. I'd rather not broadcast my screen name on Misplaced Pages. Thanks. --Chris 10:42, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I sent you a Moldovan article

Hey, Node I sent you an article about Moldovan that comes from a scholarly journal. It should be in your GMail account. Have fun. --Chris 23:32, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Russian republics

Hi there! Thanks for taking time to update Russian names of the republics with the Unicode characters. If you intend to update the rest of them (which would be great!), it would be wonderful if you could put the {{lang-ru}} template for Russian spelling at the same time (see Bashkortostan for an example). Also, note that Russian spelling comes first (because Russian is the official language of all Russian federal subjects), followed by the spelling in languages official on the territory of the republic. Let me know if you have questions, and thanks again!—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 03:05, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

As it is probably obvious, I have not been much involved with policy-related issues recently. For that reason, would you mind referring me directly to the policy you are quoting? In the past, the naming of the Russian federal subjects was per Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Russian federal subjects guidelines, which prescribe putting Russian name first, with the rest of the languages following it (to me, it still makes perfect sense). Is the "indigenous name policy" a fairly recent one? I do not recall ever seeing it before or quoted it to me. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 03:31, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

The reason I used "Russian first, local later" rule for the Russian federal subjects when working on the above WikiProject was because the other way created problems in some cases. Take Dagestan, for example. According to the most recent census (2002), over 30 languages are commonly spoken in the republic. Listing all of them in the intro line would be highly impractical, no matter in what order you do it (note that I am talking about the intro line alone; listing them elswhere in the body of the article, or even in a separate article, would probably be fine). Hence, only official languages are listed. The problem is, the only official language in Dagestan is Russian, so the indigenous languages are not even covered.

Now, Dagestan is fairly non-typical. All other Russian republics have at least one other official language in addition to Russian. But then again, there are plenty of groups in, say, Ingushetia, to justify including not only the Russian and Ingush (which are official) languages, but other languages as well. Listing Ingush first may probably be more offensive to the non-Ingush population than listing Russian, which they may prefer (as lingua franca when it is not practical or possible to utilize their own language).

Looking outside of Russia, we have the Ukrainian republic of Crimea. While it may be argued by some, but the indigenous population there is Crimean Tatars, who speak the Crimean Tatar language. However, that language not official in the Crimea (Ukrainian and Russian are).

To wrap it up, my point is that there are probably cases when listing indigenous language first makes good sense (I am not knowledgeable enough to judge if that's the case with the Chinese divisions you mentioned, though), but Russian republics are definitely not a good fit for that practice. Even though in some cases putting native language first would be better (such as in cases of Tatarstan and Bashkortostan), Russian is listed first for the sake of consistency. I hope you understand what I mean. Thanks for taking time to explain your position to me.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 12:35, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Adding languages the way you described can certainly be done, but the inconsistency of this approach simply breaks my heart. "Russian first, native later" approach looks very clean and logical, and there is nothing preventing anybody from listing the names in the rest of the languages used on the territory of the subject (if any) and the languages of historical significance in the body of the article.

As for the offensive part, I probably was not very clear here. If the largest indigenous language is listed first, it may be fine (if you care not about consistency) as long as it is indeed the largest. Now, in several republics Russian is actually spoken by more people than the native language (even if both are official)—Udmurtia and Buryatia are good examples. In some republics, like Dagestan, there is no "largest" native language, so Russian is used. And so on and so forth.

The purpose of my approach is maintaining consistency, so nobody needs to fight which language is listed first in each and every case. What is the purpose of your approach, if I may be so curious? According to the logic you outlined so far, the names of the U.S. states should be given in the languages of Indian tribes that live there, followed by English (neither Indian languages nor English are official, but they are all of historical significance)—would you follow this rule in a non-English Misplaced Pages if there was a guideline similar to one you are using? Am I missing something?

So for being so crabby, but I tend to be that way when I do not understand what people have in mind when making certain adjustments. If you could clarify that for me, it would be much appreciated. Rest assured, I have nothing against you personally, only against your logic :)—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 22:36, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Node! When you say that you think inconsistency is not a problem, you do not think you'd immediately win me over? :) You see, I think this is going to be a major problem, which leaves our discussion moving nowhere. Consistency is actually the reason why we are having this discussion in the first place.

The problem I have with your approach is that you would have to decide, what degree is "logical", and define exceptions. Now, imagine that we do the things your way without any reservations. What would happen if tomorrow a crazy nationalist from Dagestan comes to Misplaced Pages, sees Yiddish spelling in the JAO article, and adds a name of Dagestan to the Dagestan article in his own language (maybe even with the good intentions). Considering Misplaced Pages's rate of growth, it is only a matter of time when this happens. Would you be willing to tell that person that only official languages and languages of historical significance are indicated in the articles? If yes, how would you justify that his language is not of historical significance? If not, what will you do with the representatives of other Dagestani people, each willing to add the name of the republic in his or her native language? See, that's the main reason why Dagestan does not even have an official language besides Russian—it is so hard to achieve consensus, and they are really not the only complicated case. Most of Russian Caucasus republics have dozens of languages used on their territories, and most of these languages are not official elswhere.

The Native American languages example you used (and I am terrified to hear that you actually insisted that they are listed on the first line in some cases, but that's a whole different story I am not going to get concerned with) is also dubious. One has to actually decide what the threshold for including a language is. Is 500K to be the dividing point for inclusion? 1 million? 5 million? Who decides what the borderline is? What happens if there is a consensus on a number (unlikely story), but there is a case with less than 1% deviation? Would it be included/excluded as an exception? My answer would be why even care about such intricacies, when a simple compromise rule can be worked out to cover all cases more or less effectively.

Anyway, since I am not married to the "Russian first, the rest later" rule, I can agree on a compromise, as long as it does not involve having to make arbitrary judgements and to introduce artificial rules, and is more or less logical. How about this:

1. Only names in official languages are listed.
2. The languages are sorted in order of the population percentage that speak them (these percentages are among the base indicators of the 2002 Census data, available online).

In this case native language will be listed first for republics with large indigenous population, and Russian will be listed first for republics where such population is not as large.

To counter your argument about reversing trends—Misplaced Pages is a tool of descriptive nature. In cases when the trend reverses enough to put the Russian language into minority, the language order can be changed when it happens (a logic used in the "Kiev vs. Kyiv" spelling—see Talk:Kiev—which, to me, makes perfect sense).

This system, of course, is far from being as simple as the "Russian first" one, but at least it is not ambiguous, leaves some waggling room, and does not require considering (and, at times, fighting over) each case separately. Let me know what you think.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 12:53, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

The articles on Russian republics seem to be quite naive. The involvement of the Mafia in politics is not mentioned. Also, party affiliations are important.

Sarcelles 21:14, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Breton wiki

hi, thanks for trying to help on the breton wiki. I appreciate your engagement for the future of our language. Unfortunately, there are still not enough wikipedians working on it to make it as good looking as it should be. In regards of what's happening may be it is not a so good idea to continue to reverted the breton homepage every day. People tends to focalise on that issue (and so I do too) and then become more agressive and don't participate creating or translating new articles. We have lost already an awful amount of time on spelling issues. No doubt the standard will prevailed on wikipedia (it has already won in the society anyway); it's only a matter of time and numbers of Breton wikipedians. For the time beeing, I think a better strategy would be to reinforce and make more attrative the standard part of the Homepage. That's why I decided to launch the translation of the week section. On the other hand do you know if Neal has begun to tranlate the Interface. If no, I could consider to do it myself if you can assure me it will be used even if we have no administrator for the time beeing. Thanks for caring anyway. Fulup 18:04, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Cyrillic

Hmm, Mark. I just noticed that Cyrillic alphabet has no mention of Moldovan. Maybe you want to change that? --Chris 20:37, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Breton Interface

Demat, have you seen my message on Meta ? The translation of the file is completed. Thanks for your help. --Fulup 17:28, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

• Hello, Mark, How are you doing ? It's been quite a while since last time we talked so here are some news about the Breton Wiki. There has been lots of improving. Everybodies uses the standard now and Breton has become the first Celtic language used on Misplaced Pages. What an achievement ! We are ranking 55th now and I'm still hoping we will make it to be amongst the first 50 sometimes this year. We held our first elections at the end of last month. We now get our first three sysops and I'm proud to be one of them. I thank you so much for helping us at a time we really needed it. Concerning the Interface, I think it is a bit out of date by now (new english sentences poped up) and I need to correct some clumsy bits I did too. Could you help me again on that ? Thank you in advance --Fulup 13:07, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Language infobox

You inserted a {{{note}}} without much explanation in the language infobox. Please discuss these kinds of changes before making edits. It's effect is seen in several hundred articles right now and seems to serve no particular function.

Peter 13:38, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Article on North Frisian

(Wo man, clean up your discussion page!)
Hi Node, a few months ago you added some examples of various North Frisian dialects to the article on the North Frisian language. They came from the Nordfriisk Instituut website. Do you have their permission or are you absolutely sure you can put them on Misplaced Pages? I mean, they all come from a book, which has been published and is copyrighted. And it is true that you have the right to quote, but those quotes can be said to form a unified text on the website you took them from and may be copyrighted again, so I'm not absolutely sure. Caesarion 09:34, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

I thought so, I mean, that you'd taken them from the internet. I think we'd best ask the NI if they allow it - I think they will. Btw, I addressed the NI once before, asking them if they wanted to collaborate on a North Frisian Misplaced Pages - this seems to me a good opportunity to ask them once again. Caesarion 11:48, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Amharic wikipedia

Hi Node, I left a message up there you probably couldn't find... The am.wiki is starting to take off, just wondering if you could get the main logged in contributor sysopped - his name is Elfalem Codex Sinaiticus 02:44, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Vecino!

We are neighbors, I live in Tempe, Arizona. And I'm also twice your age. --Vizcarra 23:59, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Node

Hi Node ue, would you be so good to read this and this please... Thanks. Maybe this is a bit important for you as candidate admin. Please do not answer me on en: (I am here seldom) but on na: (preferably) or on nl:. Friendly greets, Belgian man 18:24, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Ashiwi and Shiwi

Sources are placed on the Zuni talk page. Amerindianarts 21:09, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

What happened to interface?

Help! As of a few minutes ago, Amharic wikipedia System messages isn't showing any of the "current text", resulting in the loss of the Amharic interface that I have labored on! Is this a bug or what?

On a slightly related note, when it is working, how do you get the Amharic interface available as a choice in 'preferences' on other wikipedias? A lot of the interface 'choices' that are already available on other wikis are not even translated from English or French or Spanish. Codex Sinaiticus 17:28, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Bashkir wiki

Hi! Could you improve the logo of Bashkir wiki, that cintains mistake. Logo should be Ирекле энциклопедия! Thank you. --Untifler 14:05, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:Utynfi.png

Hello, can you provide a source for your image? Zach (Sound Off) 03:06, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Main page language template

I noticed on the language template discussion page Template_talk:Wikipedialang that you had made some arguments that closely reflect a debate currently occurring at Talk:Main Page. Now that Raul654 has suggested removing the template entirely from the Main Page, I think people would be interested to see your opinion. Best, Tfine80 03:10, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

My source

I have the right to post my source there; no matter how old it is. It's a reference. If you remove it again, I will open a RfC on you. Also, I'm not using the word "liberated" in my source. I don't know what you're talking about when you keep mentioning that. --Anittas 22:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

The problem with your source is that it is 400 years old. A language changes a lot within those 400 years. Naturally, Moldovan and Romanian were virtually identical then. But in those passing years, changes happened to both of these languages. --Chris S. 23:06, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Revert conflict on Moldovan language

You have been party to a revert conflict involving User:Anittas and User:Christopher Sundita. I strongly urge you to take the dispute to Talk:Moldovan language, rather than continue this revert conflict. Thank you. All the best, --Durin 16:34, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Хрватскоsrpski jezik

Lets imagine that Wikpedia was around in 1960 and some jugoslav wikipedians were claiming to be offended by the existance of a Croatian language Wiki. Would we give them the time of day? It cuts both ways. If people have the right to treat it as several languages, others have the right to consider it one language.

Quite possible there is a better name. Hrvatsko-srpsko-bosanski jezik would make more sense today. However it remains the term that those who still consider it their language use. SStokavski doesn't seem a good solution. My Zagreb friend who consders his language SerboCroat comes from the islands amd is a Čakavian speaker. Dejvid 16:22, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Zlatiborian

I can try teaching you Zlatiborian if you want. Do you speak any other Slavic language or do you know any Slavic words or grammatical rules? It's important because I must know in which way to start teaching you. You know, I wrote an English-learning textbook for those who work in tourism (since there is many Zlatiborians who work in hotels and restaurants, because Zlatibor is famous tourist site, and only 12% of them speak English), and I was doing some courses. ;) But you should know that it will be hard, it will take you some time. The grammar is not very easy... However, if you don't speak any other Slavic language, knowing Zlatiborian would really help you to learn Serbian, Croatian, Russian, Montenegrin, Bosnian, Polish, Czech, Sorbian, Slovak, and Slovenian languages. --213.244.197.214 22:09, 4 November 2005 (UTC) (it's George, I'm just logged out)

Girls

What's wrong with girls? --Anittas 21:42, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

I got no problem with men. I think some are cool and good-looking, like Brad Pitt. I'm not sexually attracted to them, tho. I like girls. I honestly think that, in general, they are better people than men. They also have soft skin, pretty eyes, nice forms, etc. Think about it! ;) --Anittas 05:47, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Anittas, homosexuality is something you're born with... When someone who is 16 already realises he is homosexual, it will make him a lot happier than he would be if he were to realise that when he was 40 years old and married. Btw I agree with you that girls are prettier and have better characters. Caesarion 10:50, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I disagree (regarding 16 vs 40). While many, if not most, 16 year olds, at least in the USA, are in an environment where their peers often use "gay" as a generic negative adjective (like, "that speech was so gay"), and are constantly assimilating other negative stereotypes of homosexuals and homosexuality, most 40 year olds, at least in the USA, have friends or at least have met real gay people, and are not in such an environment where they are constantly driven by their peers to reject homosexuality as an acceptable idea. Perhaps this is why suicide rates in gay teens are so much higher than for any other portion of the gay population. In addition to that, many teenagers have to worry about their parents kicking them out of their house, or even abusing them, when they come out to them, which a 40 year old who has already established him- or herself in the world doesn't have to wory about. --Node 17:40, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, perhaps I was speaking from a Dutch pov. Not that Dutch adolescents entirely accept homosexuality, but you're not being excommunicated. Obviously we in Western Europe are miles ahead (hah-hah). When you suppress your feelings as an adolescent, marry, get children and then you realize that you are gay, you will be dragged into a big crisis, a divorce and so on. Caesarion 21:07, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I disagree with girls having better character. They are much more mean than men. And usually men are driven by good intentions - in a very large and vague sense. --landroni 15:44, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Nekotoryie voprosy

Node, privet,

vot mne interessno s toboy poobshiatsia. Nu ty znaesh chto ia student i vse takoe, moldavanin vo Frantsyi... A ty kto? Chem zanimaeshsia krome Wikipedii? Ty russkiy? Eto vse bez upreka. Mne interessno kto ty.

Ia zametil chto ty zanimaeshsya malenkimi Wikipediami (eto trudno ne zametit'). Ty prakticheski edinstvenyi kotoryi podderjivaet moldavskuiu Wikipediu? No zachem? Moldavskii yazyk - da on sobstvenno govoria i ne sushestvuet. I eto tebe moldavan govorit. A to chto my pisali russkimi bukvami, to eto bylo vo mnogom blogadaria batiushke Stalinu. I ty otlichno znaesh chto nam eto siloi vveli. A na schet Prednestrovii toje samoe. Tam siloi vse derjitsia. Tam roditeli sidiat v tiurmah izza togo chto hoteli chto by ih deti uchilis' na rumynskom al'favite. Ia ne viju rezona v Moldavskoy Wikipedii. V moldove nikto ne pishet kirilitsoi. Vse uje dovno ottuchilis'. Da i te stariki, oni pishut kirilitsoi tol'ko pis'ma, ili v starom bloknote. A ih malo. Po vsiudu pishetsa latynitsoi. Eta Misplaced Pages prakticheski bredovoi poluchiaetsia. Daje mne trudno chitat' to chto tam napisano (a esli chesno govoria ossobo i ne proboval), a u menia doma eshe ostalis' staryie knigi napisany kirilitsoy so skazkami kotoryh chital v detstve. Oni u menia kak antikvariat.

Nu ladno, ia ne hochiu voiti v polemiku. Ia prosto hochiu kul'turno s toboi pogovorit'.

Do skorogo. --landroni 17:22, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Then who are you? I will later translate everything into English. --landroni 15:41, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Recent mediation request by User:Anittas re. Moldovan language

Dear Node ue: I am Nicholas Turnbull, a mediator down at Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal. We've recently got a request from User:Anittas to mediate regarding the dispute on Moldovan language; in particular, this user has made a statement on the page that you have disallowed him from using a source. If this matter is still an ongoing dispute, and you are interested in participating in this mediation, I would be most grateful if you would please read his request here, and voice your thoughts on the matter under "Comments by others", preferably informing us what you think the best course of action to take would be, and what you think could be done to bring the matter to a close. I am most grateful for your assistance. Please remember that anything that you wish to say to me in private can be sent to my e-mail address, nicholas (dot) turnbull (at) gmail (dot) com, and will be handled with the strictest of confidence. If there is any way I can help you, please do contact me. Thank you, and best regards, --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 02:10, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: anon insanity

I'm not sure how one tracks down a registered user hiding behind an anon IP. You could bring the case to any admin who choses to arbitrate the page in question. The IP was 210.100.226.249. PS: what's with the tiny print in this part of your talk page? 23skidoo 23:59, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Corsican Pika

Can you please have a look at Talk:Sardinian Pika? I noticed you created the article about the Corsican variant, so you may have more information about its status. Ucucha (talk) 15:18, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Sucking on your finger

Mark (Node), I saw your photo. My question: why do you have your finger in your mouth? You seem to suck on your finger. Why? --Anittas 06:32, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I'm a bit slow. I mean, it can't be a symbol for a sexual innuendo, can it? --Anittas 06:37, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I got more questions: do homo-sexuals find the same things to be attractive on men, as women do? --Anittas 06:44, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

That makes sense. Okay, one last question - then we're done for today. During the 70s and 80s, the homo-sexuals seemed to be strong men wearing black skinpants. Some of them were cool, like Freddy Mercury, but with the beginning of the 90s, the homo-sexuals started to follow a different fashion: they started to behave feminine and wear colourful clothes - some look like clowns. Why? What happened to those strong sailors that made armwrestling? --Anittas 07:00, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Mold lang

Your argument works both ways: compulsory/required; it is a minor detain not worth of fight. Ureche's second piece is removed from the botton; it is misplaced there. Comparison of constitutions is useful to demonstrate at least the intentions. I edited its intro to say "may be identical". If you find a published example that demonstrates differences it will be useful. If there is a false text in the article, please say it in the talk page. If there is something important missing, please write the text in the talk page. At present with this escalation of anonymous reverts and useless political rants let us concentrate on really serious things first. mikka (t) 22:03, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Talk Ainu

Please come to the Ainu talk page and talk about clitoral tattoos. --Adamrush 02:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes

There is a solution. Are the IP addresses from the same ISP? In other words, do they start with similar (or almost similar) IPs? If they do, there should be a way to look at the various IPs he's used and ban them for short periods of time as he uses them. Eventually, people either give up or we find a way to stop them. There is *always* a solution on Misplaced Pages. Just get something worked out between the users and we will go from there. That's all you can do for now. If anything else, the protection period gives you some time until something is worked out. --Woohookitty 05:39, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Well I'll take a look and see what I can do about the talk page. You might be aware that the ArbCom went through a *very* similar case with Bogdanov Affair. Same kind of situation...dispute among a few users with lots of anons involved in vandalizing the page. Eventually, the ArbCom decided that any anons used could be blocked on sight under most circumstances. I have a feeling that you guys want need to pursue the same route. We'll see, but it sounds like a possibility. It sounds like the users are coming to agreements, but IPs keeps messing things up...similar to Bogadanov. You might want to read their Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Regarding The Bogdanov Affair. --Woohookitty 20:48, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Check user

You have a couple of options. Here is an article that identifies the people with checkuser powers. Also, if you are familiar with IRC, if you go into the #wikipedia channel on irc.freenode.net, you can also get help with checkuser. Be aware, though, that you will need to tell them exactly what you told me, along with some IP addresses that you think Bonaparte is using. --Woohookitty 05:49, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Ronline's RfA

Hello, I think you might be interested in checking Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Ronline and voting accordingly. --Ghirlandajo 14:48, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

vec.wiki

I sent you a message in your User talk in vec.wiki :) bye --Nick1915 13:05, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Question

Hi Node ue. The world is small, isn't it? I thought I will not intersect with you guys beyond the mo wikipedia, but was wrong.

By the way, as far as I know my ancestors were romanians, and my grandfather's last name was Romanian-sounding (Alexandru), only to be changed by the Russians. But that does not matter much. Please don't think that Anittas and others you met are representative of Romanians. I got my Bachelor's in Bucharest, and met very nice people in there. I guess just the ultranationalists mess up at the Moldovan language article. (And please note that Anittas is worse than most of those people, he thinks all Romania is crap except for the region he is from. :)

One question. You seem to know indeed Romanian to some extent (I can't tell how much). How's that, it seems that you have a perfectly English name? Also, where are you from originally, and where do you contribute from? (You made me curious, and there is no info on your user page. :) You can reply in here, I will keep this page on my watchlist for a while.

And about the Ronline admin nomination, he seems to be answering well your quesitons. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 04:36, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Please don't put words in my mouth. And when are you going to change your name to a Romanian name? The Soviets might have forced their names upon you, but nothing stops you now from correcting it. --Anittas 06:19, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Your buddy, Oleg

Your buddy Oleg asked me whether I made a personal attack on you, saying that you're a 16-year-old kid, etc. I know who it is and I know you know who it is. Perhaps you could tell him and set the record straight. You should also start archiving some of your discussions from your talkpage. It's a pain in the ass to have the page load slowly. --Anittas 16:18, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

By the way, Oleg deleted something from my post. See the history page. I don't want you to miss it! --Anittas 16:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Re:Re: Question

So, your from Arizona, that's close. If you happen to have any business in Los Angeles in the next couple of years, let me know. We could go for a beer. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 00:53, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Anittas, you are stepping over any bounds. Please read Misplaced Pages:Civility. I am considering starting a request for comment against you. You are in violation of Misplaced Pages rules, and are not contributing to a productive atmosphere on Misplaced Pages. I sincerely hope you will choose to use proper behavior, even with people you disagree with. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Okay, fine, I'm going to leave you lovebirds alone. :) --Anittas 05:35, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Take away their language...

Helo, can I have the source of you citation from Stalin? User:Dpotop

I believe it was Bonaporte who wrote that, not Node. In either case, google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2004-18%2CGGLD%3Aen&q=stalin+%22take+away+their+language%22

--Anittas 11:42, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Interface language

Hi Node, if I change my interface language in the English encyclopedia to fo - Føroyskt, that is:

my preferences -> User profile -> Language -> fo - Føroyskt

I basically still get the English interface. Do you know who I should contact to get this synchronised with the version that is on fo.wikipedia.org? Thanks in advanced ℚuackor 20:39, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

vec.wiki logo

Hi Node! Thank you for logo, good job! Only, the word encyclopedia translated in vec is enzsiclopedia not ensiclopedia! If you can edit the image (I'm not very good to draw :)) --Nick1915 11:57, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Moldovan language

Node ue, please do not revert my changes. I am not interested in fighting with you but all the minor changes I have made are in no way undermining your contributions. I have provided a very good argument as to why I have made those changes. Please see the discussion page. I do not see your sourses about the 1.2 mil. So please be so kind as to put back what you reverted. Thank you. Constantzeanu 03:24, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm sure you're aware of WP:3RR. For four violations on Moldovan language (talk · history · watch):

1. 16:21, 5 December
2. 19:28, 5 December
3. 21:50, 5 December
4. 23:36, 5 December

I realise that you have become frustrated with the article, and that Bonaparte is uncivil and disruptive. I hope the situation approves in 24 hours. --Gareth Hughes 23:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Time to press on

Since the ArbCom case that I was involved has eventually been closed , I believe it's time to go forward on how the entire issue can be resolved. What do you think? Would centralised discussion be a good way? — Instantnood 18:52, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Node,

I know there is no refference about the name on the page but the name that you can choose from the language list to your left is молдовенияскэ. Constantzeanu 22:00, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Node, the Academy of Sciences of Moldova studies the Romanian language and literature, as you can see at the end of this page . --Danutz

Anti-Semitic remarks

You ask "didn't any of the other anti-Semitic remarks push your buttons?" Well, they bothered me, and I asked people to stop. But push my buttons? No. Anittas remark was a bit like Proust's madeleine to me, though considerably less pleasant.

I have no idea whether you have ever been physically attacked. I grew up in a pretty rough town. More than a few people I knew there died violently or in drug-related deaths; the brother of one of my closest high school friends, who is Black, was killed in an incident that while a bit murky, seems to have been at least partly about race. Another close friend, white, female got a ten-inch knife gash in her leg, as an innocent bystander in a race riot.

Relative to them, I was lucky, in that I was never seriously injured: the worst I had was being beaten up, halfheartedly chased by stonethrowing thugs, having a knife pulled on me but not used. Believe me, stuff like that sticks with you. And when something specifically triggers back to it, the response can be pretty visceral, even 30-some years later. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

A Moldavian

Hi! I am a Moldavian and I know what kind of language I speak and I know my history, so you loose your time trying to prove lies! the American bases are at Black Sea! You should ask yourself why happened it!--Dacodava

Bucoviana

People from Bucovina speak Romanian. There is no dialect or grai in Romanian Language. It is only a very little accent. that is all!--Dacodava a true Moldavian.

Process

Please participate in the process of identifying at Talk:Moldovan language to identify what issues are in contention. If, instead, you keep making large edits against the apparent consensus of the bulk of the people working on the article, I, for one, will revert them on principle. -- Jmabel | Talk 09:56, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Ahh and, I'm not sure about this, but I'm thinking "reverting on principle" rather than because you have real objections to the majority of the edits counts as WP:POINT. --Node 10:00, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Not at all. I am reverting because you are subverting the consensus process. If I don't revert you, clearly one of the many people who have been spouting venom at you will. This page had to be protected recently because of edit wars. I've tried to establish a way to move forward without that. I'm making no judgment on content in reverting, but I am making a judgment that you are editing against consensus.

I am going to bed now. I suppose that technically you can revert me again. If you do so, you will turn perhaps the one person who has been trying to be neutral between you and the large group of hostile editors into someone who just plain will not care if they run roughshod over you. I'll just walk away from the article, after explaining why on its talk page. -- Jmabel | Talk 10:07, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

You add issues by adding to the appropriate list. You propose material by adding it (or a summary, or an appropriate link if the material is already elsewhere) to the talk page. Feel free to copy this comment to the page; make it clear that you are copying. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:19, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Question

Hi Mark. I have a question about this edit you made. In addition to the name of that raion, "Raionul Cimişlia", you added its name in the Moldovan language, you wrote "(Moldovan: R-ul. Cimişlia)". I belive it does not make any sense, as "R-ul. Cimişlia" is just an abbreviation of "Raionul Cimişlia", and not its name in some other language. If you are trying to make a point that Moldovan language is different than Romanian language, that kind of edits, if anything, work against you.

I don't plan to argue with you or with anybody else the issue of Moldovan language, but I belive your edit was not productive. I will keep your talk page on my watchlist for a while, so you can reply here if you would like to comment. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 21:57, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Which one is your favourite?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/31/ChemistryGA.jpg

Personally, I like the one to the right, in the first row.

Then we have these: http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Atomic_Kitten_Right_Now_Cover.jpg

I like the one to the left. Here's another photo of them: http://www.sirena.lf.lv/ero/1/atomic_kitten/atomic_kitten01.jpg

--Anittas 23:05, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't like any of the options that you have offered me, but I do like Brad Pitt. I also like Joseph Fiennes. Okay, how about Natalie Portman? She's Jew. I wouldn't mind breaking a few dishes with her. --Anittas 00:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

??

You are such a bias bias editor:

The Ryukyuan languages are spoken in the Ryukyu Islands of Okinawa Prefecture and southern Kagoshima Prefecture. Not only is each language unintelligible to Japanese speakers, but most are unintelligible to those who speak other Ryukyuan languages. Due to the close relationship of Ryukyuan and Japanese, they are still sometimes said to be only dialects of one language, but modern scholars consider them to be separate languages.

Why? Why? Why?

name in gothic

Do you know the name in Gothic for this?

(I removed the image because it unnessecarily clutters up the page. In case anybody cares, it was a naked mole rat. -Node 05:07, 21 December 2005 (UTC))

your nationality

Node what is your nationality? What language did you learn as a child Russian, Romanian?
EvilAlex 10:29, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Node's American and his native language is English. His involvement in whatever other language ensues from an abnormal interest in and ability to learn languages. I think this will do. Caesarion 16:29, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

arabian

salam alleekum node. do you have user in arabian wikibedia.? blease edit also there tha ballestinian beoble. Ballestina is a free state.

Hindi wikipedia logo

Originally posted on your talk page on commons

Hi Node, remember me? :)

I was wondering if you still do wikipedia logos. Did you make this logo on hindi wikipedia? If yes, I needed another favor, Can you upload a version with the word "आज़ाद" changed to "मुक्त" in the second line?

Thanks, --Spundun 00:20, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Revert

Node, what is with this reverts? Why have you reverted the well notes regarding identity (law and constitution)? Have you gone crazy? :))) lol --Danutz

Node, I'm not interested in the other current edits, I see it is a revert war, but when you revert, pay atention to the edits that have no connection to what you want to revert. I wrote those paragraphs for 5 times, because of the reverts. --Danutz

Logo for stq:

Hi Node, it might look a little precocious, but could you create a logo for the Seeltersk Misplaced Pages-to-be-created? At the moment, I am doing the interface. The slogan, to be sure, must be "Misplaced Pages, ju fräie Enzyklopädie". Thanks in advance, Caesarion 16:44, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Happy Hanukkah

(-: חג חנוכה שמח --Chris S. 02:22, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Note

I removed a large quantity of 'stuff' from this page. It can still be viewed in the history, but the intent seems to have been purely harassment. Happy holidays... ignore the trolls. --CBD _☎ 14:39, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. --Node 19:30, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Translation required

Hi, can you translate this for me? TIA, Ghirla | talk 12:22, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

So much to tell about your choice to ask for translation Ghirlo...this guy said that Moldavian is not Moldovan and he can't speak Romanian] :).... LOL Bonaparte talk 12:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I can try, Ghirla. But I'm still learning Romanian. "I'm involved in a conflict with Russians and Ukrainians about Khotyn and Bukovina. Bogdan, Vasile, and I tried managing those devils. They do not accept the fact that the Romanians in Bukovina voted to reunite with Romania and they keep on reverting the evidence. It is time that those with larger authority than regular people ??? (I don't know). Don't something something to the diplomat (???). Let the game at a part and do what needs to be done (???). Read what Khotyn's article says and you will see how Ghir is behaving. Bonaparte, please don't get involved with this conflict." Ok, I tried. ;-) --Chris S. 21:39, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Ghirlandajo

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Anti-Romanian_discrimination&diff=33248586&oldid=33248292

That shouldn't count under 3RR, it was a reversion of obvious anon vandalism and was made IGF. --Node 22:43, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

How is that obvious vandalism? —David Levy 22:49, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

That Node is a troller. Look at his edits on Moldovan language. It's blocked the page because of him. Severe block for him. --203.188.144.61 23:31, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

My Request for Adminship

Hey man, thanks for voting in my RfA, I got it! If you need anything, just give me a shout :) - FrancisTyers 00:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Theresa knott

Is there a reason to you deleting several comments on above users talk page and leaving a rather personal comment? Cyberevil 01:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

He has this thing against girls... --Anittas 05:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Anittas, this is a personal attack. Please don't do that. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 08:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Agree with Oleg 100%. This should not be tolerated on Misplaced Pages. I would say this to anyone who makes anti-gay statements. It's just not OK. Ronline ✉ 09:47, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Moldovans

Hi Node ue,

I asked User:Tombseye to help out on the Moldovans page. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --Khoikhoi 02:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll see what I can do. --Khoikhoi 08:14, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Allright, what do you think about it now? If you have any requests for changes, just ask Tombseye. --Khoikhoi 22:31, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello, might as well bring you in as well. Just edited the Moldovans page as per Khoikhoi's request and tried to give it a neutral tone and just related what reference books discuss as well as some viable differences. Perhaps something could also be mentioned as to the influx of Russian vocabulary into the Moldovan dialect/language as well? It's tricky when we define distinct languages obviously as some people think the languages are the same and others don't. Often if you can understand the other person, there is obviously a close relationship and the differences have to be explained. Anyway, I'd appreciate any input as I'm not trying to take anyone's side here. Tombseye 22:38, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I tried to merge the points in both. Do you have some further problems with this newer version that you'd like to elaborate on? As I said, I'm open to suggestions here. Tombseye 20:32, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

The numbers were extremely small and so I decided that if people wanted to know about Moldovans in Ukraine that read it in the Ukraine article's demographics section. Yes, the problem is that both 'sides' in this debate think that there's weaseling going on. As someone trying to not take sides, I was making a case based upon the definition of Daco-Romanians rather than trying to simply say they're completely different people or they are Romanians for sure. It's something of a compromise edit that isn't really inaccurate I don't think. Well, the problem is that I wanted to keep it simple to avoid further conflict, but if you want to add the Bessarabia section that's fine. I elaborated the links from the modern period rather than delving into the Russian Empire period again due to concerns regarding its length in comparison to the previous versions. I actually was referring to the Soviets and not Imperial Russia and how different would the Russian Imperial period Moldovan be? Czech and Slovak are both considered 'separate' languages but both peoples understand each other. Bosniak and Serbian are now different languages somehow and the list goes on and on. I was not attempting to belittle the Moldovan language, but just used what was found in most encyclopedias (I had Encyclopedia Americana at hand). I'm not arguing that Moldova didn't have a separate history for much of its existence from Romania at all. Again, I was merely trying to write a compromise edit and not discuss the entire history, but perhaps it would be a good idea to link to something discussing Moldovan history then as well. My intent was not POV, as many is an accurate term. It isn't a survey, but it is a guiding point and I don't think my writing judges them by saying 'many', but I do agree that Moldovan history does not begin and end with the Soviets, but I was just emphasizing what I had read regarding the Soviet era's treatment of its out lying republics including de-emphasizing ties to neighboring peoples with whom they may have some relationships with. I can make these changes, none of which I disagree with, but it will inevitably be viewed by the dissenters as invalid as well. Not an easy situation as this seems to be recurring throughout wikipedia. Tombseye 01:09, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Question about moldovan words

Hi Mark. You wrote at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Alex Bakharev

Tag tu es kazut la tieni bonapartului... but then, nu am ajdatit kum diferit! --Node 07:06, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

My question is, what do "tieni" and "ajatit" mean? You can reply here, to keep the conversation in one place. Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 18:51, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Salut Oleg,

It means "Tag, you're falling under the shadow of Bonaparte. But I anticipated that."

Cheers. --Node 01:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

But nobody in Moldova talks like that, with "tieni" and "ajatit". OK, now I see, "tieni" is from Russian, but we don't use it at all. I never heard of "ajdatit". OK, so here are some comparisons:

• Tag tu es kazut la tieni bonapartului... but then, nu am ajdatit kum diferit! (yours)
• Tag, tu ai căzut sub umbra lui Bonaparte, dar atunci, nici nu m-am asteptat la altceva (standard Romanaian)
• Tag, tu îi kikat sub umbra lu' Bonaparte, da' atunşi, eu niş nu m-am aşteptat la altşeva

The third is how a would-be-moldovan would say it (orally, not written). Just to let you know. :) You can reply here, to keep all conversation in one place. Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 01:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I assume "kikat" is the pronunciation of written standard "picat"? --Node 13:10, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Right. But again, nobody would actually write things that way. Even under soviet times (I was in 6th grade or so when things unravelled) the language taught in schools was the written literary language. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Mo.wp

Copy of our discussion on mo:Misplaced Pages talk:Alegeri and reply to your last post:

AdiJapan, I'm not sure exactly how it's fair that Romanians should be allowed to vote in addition to Moldovans, but pretty much nobody else. This is an issue regarding the very future of this Misplaced Pages. As such, it's pretty much required that participation is solicited and allowed from the international Wikimedia community as a whole, with no restrictions on language abilities. Otherwise, in the view of a developer, a "deletion order" by democratic vote could be invalid because of too-limited participation. --Node ue 01:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Node, the answer is simple, and was written on the other side of this page: The future of this Misplaced Pages should be decided by those who, whatever the outcome of the vote, will contribute with articles. What would be the reason for allowing Chinese to vote? No, the right question is, how much weight can the vote of a Chinese be allowed to have? (Supposing that he/she only speaks Chinese.) I expect you to realize that contributors to the Romanian Misplaced Pages have in fact been contributing to the Moldovan Misplaced Pages, since many of the Moldovan articles are just simple transliterations of the Romanian articles.

One more thing: This is Moldovan Misplaced Pages. Have the courtesy to write in Moldovan. AdiJapan

It's a good reason, but that doesn't make it fair. The reason for allowing Chinese to vote is that it lends validity to the vote. Any vote which could potentially result in the deletion of a Wikimedia project should include all established contributors to Wikimedia projects, no matter what their national or linguistic background is. You, Romanian nationalist that you are, probably think that dozens of Russians will flood in here and vote against you. Well, it's unlikely -- most Russians in Russia are apathetic towards the issue, the only one who would care would be Russians who are citizens of RM, and they don't have force in numbers. But the bottom line is, it's an ilegitimate vote if it excludes real Wikimedians. And I would write in Moldovan, if Pavel wrote in English on the English Misplaced Pages. --Node ue 13:34, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Romanian nationalist?! Spare me... You're lucky I started laughing before I realized it was a personal attack. I am certainly not a nationalist. Certainly also not afraid of Russians, it didn't even cross my mind they'd come to vote. It's not because I'm afraid of something that I support this condition (>25 contributions to mo.wp and/or ro.wp). I just want the votes to be relevant. People who know nothing about this project, who did nothing for it, who won't ever do anything for it, can't have a say in this. This is what I call fair. It doesn't affect the Chinese if this project exists or not. Don't worry, you contributed to this Misplaced Pages so you'll have the right to vote. Although, I checked a few of your articles (Păpuşoi, etc.) and they are, sorry, just crap. And the interface--you wrote most of it, right?--is just as bad. People there complain they don't even understand what those words mean, and they're native speakers!

In fact I'm not sure what you want. Whose cause do you think you're are fighting for? Moldovans'? Certainly not. What you did there is a shame for the Moldovan language. It's not me who said it, it's those Moldovans there who do not understand what you write even when you think you write in plain Moldovan. Let me tell you Node, Moldovan is beautiful. Spoken by natives it's soft and a pleasure to hear. I was born in Romanian Moldavia, I have relatives there, I always love to go there and listen to the people. I have Moldovan-speaking friends in Moldova and Ukraine: lovely accent. But your version of Moldovan is your personal constructed language, based on some real facts and much imagination, combined with your personal understanding of linguistics.

What you're doing here Node is just playing. This is your playground. And Moldovan Misplaced Pages was your little toy. No offence intended, but you need to grow up. Then you will realize what I'm saying. Hopefully you will find something useful to do. You're a smart kid, and most probably your intentions are not as bad as some people think. I trust you will be a nice person. Good luck. — AdiJapan ☎ 17:08, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

So i'm not the only one..Elerium 22:08, 14 January 2006 (UTC).

RfC

שלום, there is an RfC taking place you may be interested in: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Anittas 2. Your name has been mentioned a few times, I thought you ought to know. Izehar 23:32, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

my RfA

I would like to express my thanks to all the good people who spent their valuable time time and effort working on my (failed) RfA voting. Especially for those who actually voted to support me :). Lets move on and make together our Misplaced Pages an even greater place abakharev 09:15, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Mark

You didn't answer me this. Or maybe you quit? ;) --Djordje D. Bozovic 22:51, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Bonepart

Node,

Let me see what I can figure out...I'll get back to you (it might take a littler time though, because I have a number of other Wiki things going on.) In any case, if anything I can do will help rid us of this tsiran, then I'll be quite happy. Jim62sch 21:23, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi there, Mark

I see you can understand Serbian very well. If so, Zlatiborian won't make much problem to you. Now, it doesn't matter wheather it is a language of a dialect. It is similar to standard Serbian in some cases, but it is also different in some other cases. It's just your personal will if you want to call it a dialect or a language. And I can tell you, many Zlatiborians consider it a dialect of Serbian, and some other people ask for more. That's just a political case. Well, whenever you decide that you do or do not want to learn it, you may inform me. :) --Djordje D. Bozovic 23:07, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Moldovan language

Hi Mark. With Bonaparte blocked, I think there is a chance for progress at Moldovan language. I would ask you to visit its talk page and comment on what you think about my suggestion to work things out paragraph by paragraph with no reverts. Wonder what you think. Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:03, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Request for arbitration, re Anittas

Hi. I'm currently in the process of starting a request for arbitration against Anittas, for the personal attacks he continued making after his second RfC, as well as for the insults that were not rectified in that RfC. I would like to know if you would support this RfArb. I think it's very worrying that he continues making significant personal attacks after two RfCs. The attacks made against you that can be used for this case are at: . Previous attacks, which were brought up in the RfCs, can be used as contextual evidence. Thanks, Ronline ✉ 05:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, all of the pre-RfC evidence will be mentioned as contextual. Also, his actual comments during the RfC will be used as evidence. He has, however, retracted the statement about you on his talk page, and the picture of you has been removed by User:Jonathunder, with Anittas subsequently

Anittas' use of your image

Anittas has been blocked from Misplaced Pages for 24 hr for harassment and disruption with his misuse of your image. The image has been removed from his user page. If you continue to be harassed by Anittas, please inform us at WP:AN/I or leave me a message at my talk page. Sorry you had to put up with this. FeloniousMonk 07:45, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Anti

I demand you to show right the way examples of that POV-pushing you "accusing" me. Otherway, please refrain spreading your vicious rumours. You can seriously imagine that declaring on wikipedia a special religion and a special sexual orientation, you could say whatever you want about other users. --Vasile 12:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Node, I am not going to play games with you. If I catch you vandalizing a page, I will not hesitate to go to an admin and ask for you to be blocked. You first discuss your issues, you also present sources, then you wait for people to give a concensus or near-consensus and then you proceed by making the apropriate changes. Constantzeanu 23:12, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

of course i did.Constantzeanu 01:55, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Ryukyu History merger

You've contributed significantly to the discussion at Talk:Ryukyuan history, so I thought I'd ask for your current opinion on a page merger of History of the Ryukyu Kingdom and Ryukyu Kingdom to Ryukyuan history. Thanks! Turly-burly 00:37, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Dhivehi Misplaced Pages

As you have mentioned in Oblivious talk page, Dhivehi Misplaced Pages is in a stage of danger. I wonder who is the sys op, if I were able to edit the frontpage. I would have translated all. And start to enrich it, but I couldn't do. because may be sys op, have the right to change frontpage. But any body who couldn't just take responsibility take those tasks. I am sure I need only one day to translate all the needed terms. Even Encyclopedia has a Dhivehi word. Encyclopedia is އެކުމާފާނު in Dhivehi. Free as you have said -- "not "free" as in "free food"." I have compared that with other Wikipedias too. Free means މިނިވަން not ހިލޭ in this place. See In french it is "l’encyclopédie libre" libre means މިނިވަން. And in Urdu it is " آزاد دائرہ المعارف ". And آزاد (Aazaadh) means މިނިވަން. And in Arabic it is "Alma"soo-a'thul H'urrathu". H'urrathu and H'urriyyathu in Arabic means މިނިވަން. 💕 will be a މިނިވަން އެކުމާފާނު. And Freedom of speech in Dhivehi means ދުލުގެ މިނިވަންކަން lit. Freedom of tongue.(Deviathan 18:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC))

Re: Dhivehi Misplaced Pages

Greetings Node,

You wrote : → I was wondering, have you ever considered doing some work for the Dhivehi Misplaced Pages? .... Also, I was wondering if you could give me the translation for the logo?

Actually n3m6 and I have been thinking about dv version of wikipedia. Infact it was set up on his request! When it comes to writing (specially editing, whats written) its a great challenge. Plus, firefox doesnt rendar it correctly!

As for the Dhivehi version of the logo, yeah I can come up with something. Though I dont see any good it will do, at this time.!

Re: Dhivehi Misplaced Pages

Hi Node,

got your message about contributin to Dhivehi Misplaced Pages. Right now I am learning the basix of wiki-ing! but yeah! i'd love to and will be on it. I saw the dv.wikipedia . and yea we need to work on it a lot. I am in.

--rxs 03:37, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I had a chat with Oblivious and we discussed a lot of problems with typing in dhivehi. Editing is a nightmare with Dhivehi, for example. Browser support is another! I had a few questions as well! Do we really need to re-register as a wikipedian to contribute in a wikipedia in Dhivehi language?

--rxs 11:09, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Dhivehi Logo

Hi,

Here is a logo I've created in paint.

File:Logodv.png

ވީކިޕީޑިއާ

މިނިވަން އެކުމާފާނު

(Deviathan 19:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC))

Hi, Node. Can you make a logo from this and upload that to Dhivehi Misplaced Pages. Thanx. (Deviathan 15:29, 23 February 2006 (UTC))

My Application to become an admin

I have applied in Dhivehi Edition of Misplaced Pages to become an admin/sysop, in order to translate all the important terms and to contribute it with more and more articles. If you can help me in this, let me know and guide me. (202.1.193.14 15:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC))

To translate Dhivehi Misplaced Pages

Hi, Node I want to translate the user interface into Dhivehi in Dhivehi Misplaced Pages. So can you please help me. Thank you for your previous helpings. (Deviathan 17:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC))

Thanks for your voting!

Hi, thanks for your voting on my RFA. It has finished with the result 88/14/9, and I am promoted. I am really overwhelmed with the amount of support I have got. With some of you we have edited many articles as a team, with some I had bitter arguments in the past, some of you I consider to be living legends of Misplaced Pages and some nicks I in my ignorance never heard before. I love you all and I am really grateful to you.

If you feel I can help you or Misplaced Pages as a human, as an editor or with my newly acquired cleaning tools, then just ask and I will be happy to assist. If you will feel that I do not live up to your expectation and renegade on my promises, please contact me. Maybe it was not a malice but just ignorance or a short temper. Thank you very mach, once more! abakharev 07:34, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for Wiktionary Adminship

I have applied in Dhivehi Edition of Wiktionary to become an admin/sysop, in order to translate all the important terms. Please help me in this. (Deviathan 21:07, 24 February 2006 (UTC))

Get out the scrapbook, its baby's first Barnstar

		The Rosetta Barnstar
		For translating shit even if you're not completely proficient in the language, for the sake of developing minority languages' wikis. cheers.

--ni ez naiz aldatuko

Logo for dv: wikipedia

Here is a logo for Dhivehi (dv) Misplaced Pages, Can you please upload it.
m:Requests_for_logos#Dhivehi_Logo
(Deviathan 09:21, 26 February 2006 (UTC))

Cannot find the Edit button

Hi, Node, as you have told in dv:mytalk, I went to Special:Allmessages to translate the user interface, but I cannot find the Edit button. So I didn't know what to do. Please drop a help. :) Deviathan 13:15, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Node finally I did it, sorry for disturbing, and thank you for your assistance. Deviathan 18:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Language order on www.wikipedia.org

Hiya, I recall that in early 2005 you helped to sort out the ordering of the languages on http://www.wikipedia.org. What's the order based on? Mutante is currently trying to write a script that would create this page automatically (thereby making the numbers a bit more up to date) but he's struggling with this issue. Can you please help? GeorgeStepanek\ 01:26, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Sadly..

It ended up like this again -  :-( — Instantnood 18:09, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

It got closed in this way, finally.. — Instantnood 19:22, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Moldovan/Romanian

lol. Give me a brake... --Danutz

I won't give you a brake, I don't want to spend any money buying you gifts. If anything, I would consider cutting your brake lines, but then you are in Romania and I am not, so that is unlikely to happen anytime soon. Please see wikt:brake. Now, in the mean time, it would be lovely if you could go elsewhere while you try to extract your head from your rectum. --Node 10:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Wait a sec Node... How can you know that Danutz's head is in his rectum? ;) Steinbach (fka Caesarion) 12:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I have some experience with Danutz. ;p --Node 01:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Situation of administrator abuse

Hi, I'm in a potentially awkward position with an Administrator. I have read the Wiki pages on dispute resolution but I'm still not sure how to proceed.

The Admin ContiE has a personal grudge against me for reasons I do not fully understand. He has been this way since I began frequenting wikipedia.

I have done work improving the furvert article. He has basically gone on a crusade against any edit I make. He controls every furry category article and several others ruthlessly. He is an iron fist and bans anyone he edit wars with. I had uploaded pictures and he deleted them with no talking. He seems to believe I am every person he has had an edit war against. He is always using personal attacks, calling me troll without reason. I uploaded them again and he voted them for deleted, but to his surprise the person who runs the images, thank you Nv8200p, found they were acceptable once I tagged them properly. Just recently he removed both the images without himself discussing it in the talk page (unless he was the same person who discussed only one) with the edit here Then ContiE assumed bad faith, added his constant insult of troll in the talk page. It appears on a completed different wiki, a comedy one in all things, somebody else stole my username and I believe this was Conti himself and uploaded them. ContiE showed it as his reason. While vandalism like his, I would revert and mention it, he would ban me permanently if I undid his edit. That is why I am asking admins for help. He holds a couple of accounts on wikipedia and I think they are administrators so I have to be careful who I tell about this. Arights 06:21, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Archive?

Maybe you should make an archive of your past discussions?--RockyMM 23:11, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject WS

Just letting you know I have created a userbox for WikiProject Writing Systems at Template:User WikiProject WS. It looks like this:

This user participates in WikiProject Writing systems.

Just add {{User WikiProject WS}} to your userpage. BTW, any questions or comments should be directed to the project's talkpage, as I will be spamming this message to all current members. Thanx!--The ikiroid (talk) 22:30, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Persian people#History

Could you take a look at the first sentence in this section? It claims that Persians are descendants of some "Aryan tribes" migrating from Central Asia. Sounds like outdated racial theories to me. The same source (Britannica) says Persians are of mixed ancentry, but when I try to add this in people remove it. I don't think this is consistent with WP:NPOV. Could you take a look at this and leave a comment? Thanks, Aucaman 06:59, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Help for template

Hi, this is the ikiroid again, trying to scout out help for Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Writing systems. I'm looking for anyone who can help contribute to Template:Infobox WS. It's an esoteric sort of template, copied from Template:Infobox Language that now needs to be revised for writing system pages. All ideas and comments about it should be directed to Template talk:Infobox WS. Contact me with any questions or comments. Thanks!--The ikiroid (talk) 21:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Tswana

Hi, I was wondering if you could help create a logo for the Tswana Misplaced Pages. Please let me know. Thanks. Danny 03:01, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Moldovan

Hi Node,

I don't think it would be a bad idea, except for the Moldovan language article. I think it's fine the way it is right now, I mean, most sources do show Moldovan as identical to Romanian. Also, Alex was right about WP:NPOV#Undue weight. BTW, I checked the history of the article from when it started to now, looked to me like there was a crapload of edit waring going on. What is specifically incorrect/POV about the article? Also, when you make controversial edits like "some Moldovans declared themselves Russian in the census", remember to cite your sources. La revedere! —Khoikhoi 00:30, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Node, I recently came across one of your explanations regarding the differences between the Moldovan and Romanian language. You stated that "odecolonul ista" would be correct in standard Moldovan. Nevertheless, I have to tell you that that is not true. Of course literary Moldovan and Romanian are identical, no one disputes that, so I am a bit confused as to what you mean by "standard" Moldovan. However, the words you gave as an example of Moldovan would not be encountered in most situations, especially not a a formal one, which I suppose would be where you would find standard Moldovan. Though in a rural area (or even on the streets of Chişinău) one might hear this sentence, it would certaily be viewed as dialectal and incorrect from a literary perspective. Vox Populi (TSO) 20:27, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

In response to your comment on my talk page, I guess see what you're saying now. Just bring up your points on the talk page I guess. Also, please archive your talk page! —Khoikhoi 00:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! —Khoikhoi 01:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back

Hello, Node, it's great to see you back. You probably know that User:Anittas was blocked by Jimbo Wales permanently. You may want to voice your opinion on Anittas's talk page. And please archive this talk, it takes frustratingly long to download it. --Ghirla 07:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

BTW...

Could you read over the Gagauzia article and try to make it more neutral? I don't really see any references to the word "Moldovan" in it. —Khoikhoi 00:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Please do not vandalize main space articles to make a point

is unacceptable. You are an experienced user and know the rules.

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages.

Please also avoid Personal attacks against other users like this abakharev 08:05, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Regards

I didn't add it to your userpage because of the anti-barnstar thing, feel free to remove it and just have the text if you like. - FrancisTyers · 09:26, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Further question, can you look at tg:Осиё and let me know if it is spam or not. It seems to be Tajik (zaboni, dar etc.) but written without access to Tajik characters (tazhiki etc.) There is an email address included which leads me to suspect that this is not an encyclopaedic article. Your assistance would be gratefully received. Thanks :) - FrancisTyers · 10:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, would you suggest we email the address or just delete the 'article' ? - FrancisTyers · 11:42, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Sadly I don't speak any Russian worth talking about. I guess I'll just delete it then. - FrancisTyers · 13:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think you can add another 'pedia to your anecdotal evidence. - FrancisTyers · 15:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Wren

If it's the same you, Jèrriais wren translation here: nrm:User talk:Node ue. Man vyi 06:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Featured article work for WikiProject Writing Systems members

Hello WikiProject WS members, it's the ikiroid again, spamming for help.....this time, it's for working on an article. We're trying to bring the article about the International Phonetic Alphabet up to featured status, and it would be great if anyone from our project would be willing to lend a helping hand. You can make suggestions about what to improve in the article here, where we're keeping track of the article's renovation. Thanks for reading. Feel free to ask me any questions about the article's improvement.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 23:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Caron

Hey man, I see you stated that "háček" is not an English word. Well, I checked, and it appears in the Oxford English Dictionary, an excerpt here:

A name for the diacritic {nfhacek}, which is used in Baltic and Slavonic languages.

And notes the first usage in English as:

1953 W. E. HARKINS Mod. Czech Gram

Regards, - FrancisTyers · 13:45, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Want to have a diversion

from Moldovian issues? There seems to be a moderate amount of trouble at Sinhalese language and the question, whether better to replace the article with a translation from de:Singhalesische Sprache. See the conversation at {http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Pjacobi#Sinhala_.282.29 my talk page]. --Pjacobi 15:38, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Template:Hong Kong (PRC)

Guess you must be interested to take a part to decide whether this template should stay. :-) — Instantnood 20:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Forged?

I'll reply on my page; let's keep the conversation in one place, it that is OK with you. - Jmabel | Talk 03:50, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Language template

Hi Node. Despite the fact that we thought we wouldn't have to deal with this again, Raul has now once again led an aggressive transformation of the main page language template. See the debate at Talk:Main Page. And again, I thought you would like to add your thoughts. Best, Tfine80 15:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Happy Transformation Day

Happy Transformation Day, Mark! If Zlatibor was a country, today would be its national holiday. :)

--Djordje D. Bozovic 13:36, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Dhives akuru

I see you put the title of the reference (Assidi Bodu Fenvalhugey Seedee. Dhivehi akuru -- e`vana ba`i = Dhivehi akuru -- volume one) into this article. Do you actually have a copy of this book? Evertype 15:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Dhives akuru should not be unified with Thaana, of course, as the two scripts are unrelated. If you can photocopy the book and send it to me, I can see if it has enough information in it to get it encoded in Unicode. We have made no progress on this because we have no information on the script apart from unanalysed samples in general books on writing systems. I can pay for the photocopy and the postage if need be. Evertype 07:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Above now copied to Talk:Dhives Akuru. – Kaihsu 15:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Transformation Day (again)

Very interesting. :) As of the history: Transformation Day (Преображење, arch. Преображеније) is celebrated since 1893, when King Alexander I visited Zlatibor and built a fountain in a place that is now the centre of Kraljeve Vode.
19 August 1893 is also considered the date when "real tourism" was started in Zlatibor (along with 12 September 1905, when King Peter I visited Mount Zlatibor and the first hotel was built).
It is also the day of Kraljeve Vode, which was named so after King Alexander's visit and building of the fountain - Kraljeva Voda means "the King's Water". Kraljeve Vode were actually only developed after the King came here.
And it is the day of the Kraljeve Vode Cathedral, which is devoted to Jesus Christ's Transformation (Црква светога Преображенија Господњега).
And as of the current state: Today Zlatiborians are gathering on August 19 in memory of this important date of the Zlatiborian history in the Kraljeve Vode Cathedral, and usually some rostrums are organized (not in the church, which holds up to religious part only :)). --Djordje D. Bozovic 16:11, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Languages you don't speak

Hi Jose,

I have noticed that you are an administrator at many Wikipedias written in languages you do not appear to be fluent in. That on its own isn't much of an issue. What is, however, an issue for me, is that you have translated the entire interface at several Wikipedias where you do not appear to know the language. I am not fluent in any of these languages myself so I can't tell whether or not they are good translations, but I am wondering how you got them. Did you consult a native speaker, or at least a fluent speaker? Or did you just use a dictionary?

If you just used a dictionary, then I would like to ask you to revert all of your translations to English or Chinese or whatever the default was. Incorrect translations can make a Misplaced Pages entirely incomprehensible to a native speaker of a language.

True, a monolingual Hawai'ian won't be able to find his way around haw.wp if the interface is written in English, but if the interface is written in nonsense Hawai'ian rather than proper language, nobody will be able to understand it, including the monolingual Hawai'ian.

There are certainly some exceptions that can be made, for example perhaps the name of the main page.

--Node 01:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

In answer to your curiosity, I had obtained the Interface System Messages from Native Speakers; those words were NOT taken straight from dictionaries.

As for the Uyghur Misplaced Pages Interface words, they were obtained directly from wiki.yulghun.com. --Jose77 02:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Transnistria#List_of_links_for_discussion

Node ue, you may not be aware of it, but you actually appear in the log of Transnistria as one of the original "top contributors" to the page. I am one of the currently active editors. You ought to come back from time to time and take a look at evolution of that page and its Talk page. Right now, we are having an informal poll on the inclusion, or not, of some links and we haven't had a lot of input yet from others yet ... and nothing from the 'old guard', like yourself. Talk:Transnistria#List_of_links_for_discussion Personally, I would appreciate some of the "wisdom of the elders", if you have the time, so please consider stopping by and sharing your thoughts. - Mauco 06:00, 26 September 2006 (UTC)