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This article is shit and contains 3 shitty references that call proud boys far right so i guess they must be cause well we're calling them that, after all the sky is green because I say it's green. One of the 3 shit references contradicts this article by stating PB is a fight club but this article says FOAK is the fight club part of PB, which is it? I watched the video that reference 2 describes and the AP "reporter" is clearly writing from a partisan viewpoint and obviously a total cunt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.132.63.125 (talk • contribs)
You could change the wording to "has been described as far-right". That's not biased and is an adequate way of dealing with your issue. --Aleccat 21:42, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
EDIT: Done. If anyone else has any comments on this, please use this page. --Aleccat 21:49, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
- Next time, consider just making the edit instead of ranting on the talk page and then making the edit. Muad (talk) 16:48, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
- I've reverted. 38.132.63.125's comment about the AP journalist is disgusting and sexists. As for the subsequent edit, the downplaying of the group's far-right stances is a form of "improper distancing" - basically distancing ourselves from what the reliable sources say. Where we have multiple high-quality reliable sources that say "Group is X" - and no reliable sources that contradict this, then Misplaced Pages should also directly state that "Group is X" not this "Group has been described as X" weaseling.
- The idea that "the organization has never described itself directly as 'far-right' or 'alt-right', so we should not ascribe that tag" is not supported by policy. The fact that a group does or does not describes itself in a certain way is not a justification for ignoring how reliable outside observers describe them. They simply don't get a veto in this way. In addition, we already include in the lead section the group's own self-description. Neutrality 16:57, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
- The issue is that it is controversial. Most of those sources are biased/unreliable. The "Village Voice" source even says "the group is mostly apolitical". I'm not going to revert, but what is your reasoning, in opposed to saying something like " has noted that the group's idealogy fits ? --Aleccat 19:11, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
- Your position is that the Associated Press is "biased/unreliable"? And the Seattle Times? And the Los Angeles Times? Neutrality 19:20, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
- Well, the first would be OR, but the other two, sure. You never answered my question though. Aleccat 20:01, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
- Why is the first OR? The link literally says it in the opening line: "NEW YORK (AP) — Fights broke out when the founder of a far-right men’s organization appeared at New York University, leading to 11 arrests — the second time this week that violence broke out at a controversial speech at a U.S. university. The speaker, Gavin McInnes, ... McInnes is the founder of a group called the “Proud Boys.'" Neutrality 20:07, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
- Well, the first would be OR, but the other two, sure. You never answered my question though. Aleccat 20:01, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
- Your position is that the Associated Press is "biased/unreliable"? And the Seattle Times? And the Los Angeles Times? Neutrality 19:20, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
- The issue is that it is controversial. Most of those sources are biased/unreliable. The "Village Voice" source even says "the group is mostly apolitical". I'm not going to revert, but what is your reasoning, in opposed to saying something like " has noted that the group's idealogy fits ? --Aleccat 19:11, 4 June 2017 (UTC)