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TNA and ROH

Punk was only in TNA for a short time, where as he was a big part of ROH. Could somebody please devide them into two seperate sections? Kris_Classic

What about MWF

What about his time in Maniac Wreslting Federation? Someone add this please

Most of his stuff isn't covered because it isn't notable, if you look at his championships there are many listed that aren't even referenced because his only real notable federations are IWA:MS, RoH, TNA and ECW. Arguably his time in Full Impact Pro could be added but beyond that nothings really more notable. --- Lid 18:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

HE DID NOT LOSE HIS OVW TITLE

He lost his WWE title shot against Rey which is what he and Seth were wrestling for. HE DID NOT LOSE HIS OVW BELT HE IS STILL OVW CHAMPION. This needs to be changed...

Backyard

No mention of his time in the Lunatic Wrestling Federation before he turned pro?

Feel free to add info on his backyard wrestling days if you have it.

↪Lakes (Talk) 19:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Not to refute that LWF was a backyard promotion, but the reason given for it being one in the latest revision is totally inaccurate. Lots of independent promotions only use local guys and no fly-ins, doesn't make them yarders. --David Bixenspan 15:58, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I was in the Chicago area around the time LWF was big in the Chicago scene. I never attended a show but would listen to their hypeline occasionally. There is a good chance that they may have been a legit fed for a while since they ran shows out of a park district. Here is some more info from 411mania

"Billy Whack chimes in on some C.M. Punk lore…My name is Billy Whack, and I used to own and promote the Lunatic Wrestling Federation in Chicago. (1993-2004)

.... And I'll never forget the day we came up with "Punk" also... It was a rainy day at All American Comics, where I worked...And I had invited a 14 year old Phil Brooks (a regular at the shop) to hang out with us over the weekend and maybe referee one of our backyard matches. (The LWF was "backyard" from 93-97, and legit thereafter) He asked to "wrestle", and I suggested he be a heel version of the 123 Kid. (93, remember?) We would simply call him--"The Punk." and we did, till about 1996." ()

Maybe there are some other people from the area who know better. I'm sure when Punk was in it it was backyard for most of the time...

--RedBirdI55 18:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Anyone know what his OVW Theme song is?

He uses the AFI song he used in ROH 216.163.119.10

Requested move

Phil Brooks → CM Punk – Has gone by the name CM Punk since at least the age of 17, and even in shoot interviews refers to himself as Punk. Punk also views negatively people who refer to wrestlers by their real name rather than ring name, though doesn't mind if you know the real name. Also seems to be supported by WP:NAME. --- Lid 03:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

Support per Lid Tromboneguy0186 07:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Support per Lid. I was going to request this myself as well. --Oakster 13:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Support per nom.
↪Lakes (Talk) 13:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Neutral. While "CM Punk" is undoubtedly the usual spelling of his name (as with "BG James"), "CM" is an abbreviation, so to be grammatically correct, the page should really be at "C.M. Punk" or "C. M. Punk". I'm not sure what the usual convention is in a case like this. McPhail 18:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Comment: It hasn't been acknowledged as an abbreviation publicly after his backyard wrestling days.

↪Lakes (Talk) 07:53, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Support. Makes sense to do so. Calaschysm 20:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Support per nom. Kyros 06:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Oppose, per the reasons I stated here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Mike_Plotcheck#Discussion. Tuckdogg 23:42, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Punk doesn't have a career outside of wrestling and refers to himself as Punk outside of wrestling even though he doesn't really follow kayfabe that much. --- Lid 00:05, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but what I was referring to was not careers outside of wrestling, rather the focus of the discussion. Phil Brooks is the man's name; C.M. Punk is the wrestling character he plays. The article is not actually about C.M. Punk, it's about Phil Brooks. So, it should stay under Phil Brooks. Tuckdogg 01:07, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment: The character he plays is pretty much himself, The Rock (entertainer) and "Stone Cold" Steve Austin both link to the characters not to mention Chris Sabin, Alex Shelley, Roderick Strong, Samoa Joe. --- Lid 02:27, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Reply: The Rock is borderline, since he has actually been using "The Rock" regularly as a stage name since retiring (although he seems to be moving towards Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson now...). The rest should all be moved to their real names. Really, though, you can't just link to some of the wrestlers' pages and say "These guys are indexed under their real names, so we should move this guy, too!" I'd be willing to bet that every one of those pages has a "Move this page" debate ongoing, as do all the pages of wrestlers indexed under their real names (which, to be honest, is a much larger list). I think what really needs to be done here is to get down a specific policy for how to treat wrestlers, and then stick to that unless there's a compelling reason not to (e.g. Chris Jericho should probably be indexed under Jericho regardless of any policies, since he owns the name and uses it as a stage name in a variety of contexts outside of wrestling). Tuckdogg 14:59, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Support. FPAtl (holla) 04:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Support Everyone calls him Punk, in shoot interviews and otherwise. "CM" is not really an abbreviation, either, and is the official spelling of his name (check ECW.com for support).

Discussion

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The nominated move was approved 06:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC). Please do not alter archived discussion.

↪Lakes (Talk) 11:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment: No offense, Lid, but when we're in the middle of discussing page moves, AND right in the middle of hammering out a policy of how to properly index wrestlers on WP:PW:Talk, it's not really cool to move pages around. You could have at least waited until the policy was decided. Tuckdogg 13:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I was following Misplaced Pages:Requested moves - five days+ of discussion and 85% agreement. --- Lid 20:47, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Regardless of what RM says about when a move can take place, that doesn't necessarily mean that a move is the wise decision in the middle of a policy debate on a related page that, depending on how it is resolved, could cause your move to be reverted. I would think it wiser to resolve the policy debate first, then work on moving pages. Tuckdogg 21:41, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

CM Punk or Punk, CM?

There is some debate over whether CM Punk counts as a ring name ala the Ace Crusader or if it's a first name last name ala C.W. Anderson. It's known CM stands for Chick Magnet, making it Chick Magnet Punk. Should it be listed as CM being the dominant part in an alphabetical listing, or the Punk being the dominant? --- Lid 09:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not like Punk is a last name, so CM Punk, not 'Punk, CM'.

↪Lakes (Talk) 13:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Well it's not a first/last name deal OR an abbreviation. The origins of a name are different from the identity of a name, it does not currently stand for anything. If it did, it would be spelled "C.M. Punk" instead of "CM Punk."

Face or Heel?

Is Punk a face or a heel? I don't get it. --Ed-kipedia 02:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

He's whichever you want him to be. --- Lid 08:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Devil Lock or Devilock?

Recently I have come to realise that Punk's move, currently listed as the Devil Lock may in fact be a reference to The Misfits song and hairstyle, Devilock. Punk has always had an affinity for the Misfits however Devil Lock would make more sense grammatically. Any opinions? --- Lid 12:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Pepsi Tattoo & WWE music

His Pepsi tat currently has Hart foundation style wings coming off it, and during both promos "This Fire Burns" by Killswitch Engage has played. I think this might be his WWE music.

And your point please

Signature Moves List

The signature moves list is way too long. It looks to me like a fan of his just made a giant list of all the moves hes ever done. Signature moves, by definition, are special moves that are done frequently by workers in almost every match. It looks like someone just added every move CM Punk has ever done to that list. Can we cut it down? He doesn't need 1,000 holds like Dean Malenko. 65.30.40.87 13:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Most of it came from Punk's website with a few exceptions from OWW and observation, but i'll see what I can remove --- Lid 14:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Unused Photo

I just wanted to point out that I found a photo on Misplaced Pages of CM Punk that isn't being used: File:Cmpunkwwe.jpg RAGE! 03:04, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Someone changed the TNA profile image to that once but it was changed back because despite what it claims that's an image of Punk in RoH, not WWE. Punk has never had blonde hair in WWE. Due to that the TNA one was put back in as it's a better profile image and higher quality, and as the image illustrates nothing of importance it's left out of the article. --- Lid 03:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Then doesn't it need to be deleted if it's not in use? I was pointing it out, just incase somebody needed to use it or not. RAGE! 09:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The picture is verry pixleated.....Please get new pic.Perferably a pic of him in his white outfit in the extreme elimation chamber

Passed GA

This article is comprehensive, well-illustrated well-sourced and fairly readable. While I wish it weren't so heavily reliant on the one wrestling site, it at least cites it frequently. I consider it a Good Article. Good job, editors.

It could be a featured article, if more diverse sources were found, there was more info on his personal life and history outside of wrestling, some sections were moved around and some rough spots in the prose cleaned up. Keep at it. Daniel Case 03:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

New Picture?

I've noticed that most, if not all, of the Wiki articles on current WWE wrestlers have a current WWE picture (whether it be a publicity still from their website, or a picture from their house shows) in their infobox. Should the Punk picture be changed to a current WWE still? PunkCabana 21:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

A WWE picture was tried at one point, but it didn't scale down or whatever as good as the current one does. And just my opinion, but there's probably not a better picture to use. The current one is really good. Calaschysm 22:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. I read a little disclaimer thing while going in to make a few edits saying not to replace the image anyway. PunkCabana 00:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Finisher Move

Considering the Fact in ECW(WWE) he has still not used Pepsi Plunge shouldn't his Ura-nage(Side Slam) be move up towards a finisher

That is against the policies of the wrestling wikiproject, moves are not degraded. The ura-nage has never been used to finish the match, only to set up the finisher, thus it is a signature move and not a finisher in itself. –– Lid 02:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Too many references

What's with all the references? Every other sentence has one. Not every match result needs a link. Comprehensive is cool, but this is going overboard. It makes editing hard. I think most of them should be removed. Maestro25 23:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

It really doesn't make editing hard, but whatever. If you want to take the references down, feel free to do so. I personally feel it would cheapen a good article, so I won't take any down. Calaschysm 00:23, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with that there are too many references. We're talking about a fairly new wrestler who has a cult following of a few hundred fans. It does make it really hard to edit, and it isn't necessary to have 80 references (most of which are websites anyway) for someone like this. 69.209.113.141 22:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

WHAT HAPPENED

What happened to the page? It looks so...empty.--989 RVD 21:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

It was vandalized; I fixed it. -- T H L 21:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalized as "Drunk"

I'm reporting this that 202.89.150.42 has vandalized CM Punk's profile as Drunk. Someone please warn him? http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=CM_Punk&action=history --Dekabreak101 21:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

What was 202.89.160.42 thinking? Idiot.--989 RVD 00:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

See WP:DENY. Cheers, -- T H L R 02:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Nice Try

I don't know who wants or feels CM Punk is an atheist but I haven't found any evidence to support this and that also doesn't really fit with any straight edge type of thing. I don't think he belongs in that category until real supporting evidence is provided. I know for some it's "cool" these days but some stranger doesn't have the right to say what religion some other person follows. I mean I could go change the Marilyn Manson page to make him a Muslim and who knows what he really follows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.233.167.166 (talk)

To quote his LiveJournal: "There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet." It wouldn't have stayed on this page so long if someone was just making it up. Calaschysm 10:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

So that alone makes him atheist, I guess it's not really a battle worth fighting since none of us really know him and the definition of atheist is not very definite, some atheists still believe in spirits and what not. He is a good wrestler, I can say that much.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.233.167.166 (talk)

He is in fact an atheist, although I am not really sure if he has any side beliefs or whatever. I guess you would have to know him personally to figure that out. As far as the Marilyn Manson thing goes, let's just say he studied theater very well in school. RankRabbit 19:27, 12 December 2006

If he says that he is an atheist, then who are we to question? -- T H L 01:35, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

A question...

Just a wild stab in the dark here, but shouldn't the uranage be put under the finishers section since CM uses it as a precursor to his Anaconda Vice? -- Jลмєs Mลxx™ Msg me 22:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

He hasn't used it to finish a match. Cheers, -- T H L 02:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Ohhhh, I getcha. -- Jลмєs Mลxx™ Msg me 02:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

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