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Discussion of draft Wikimedia Universal Code of Conduct closing in nine days

A Wikimedia committee has posted a draft version of a Universal Code of Conduct at meta which, while it contains language about respecting the diversity of community members and condemning hate speech that appears in vandalism, does not appear to prohibit or otherwise mention racism, sexism, homophobia, or other forms of prejudice outside of vandalism and direct insults (in the English version, at least.) It does concern itself with, for example, defining repeated sarcasm as a form of harassment. In the page containing summaries of committee meetings the words "racism", "sexism", and "homophobia" also do not appear. (In the English version.)

Perhaps there is a good or practical reason for this; I'm not personally familiar with the high-level Wikimedia policy development process. But the discussion of the UCoC draft closes on October 7, after which the drafting committee will submit its recommendation to the Wikimedia Board of Trustees, so I am placing this message in this talk page in the hopes of ensuring that editors who can comment constructively on the absence of language providing guidance on non-insult, non-vandalism expressions of prejudice get a chance to comment. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 19:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

The draft code doesn't mention sexism, racism, or homophobia directly but these are covered in the wording as I understand it:

Insults: This includes name calling, using slurs or stereotypes, and any attacks based on personal characteristics. Insults may refer to perceived characteristics like intelligence, appearance, ethnicity, race, religion, culture, caste, sexual orientation, gender, disability, age, nationality, political affiliation, or other characteristics. In some cases, repeated mockery, sarcasm, or aggression may qualify as insults collectively, even if individual statements would not.

JezGrove (talk) 20:14, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Age visibility for articles about women

Hi everyone I wondered if the insertion of DOB for women may present a form of gender imbalance in that women are more likely than men to be the victims of ageism and accompanying discrimination, and may prefer not to have their ages registered on wikipedia? Is there any option for the subjects of articles to request that their age is occluded, for this reason? My apologies if this has already been debated. Many thanks and cheers, Miles Quest (talk) 19:22, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

@Miles Quest: WP:BLPDOB has some info on standard practice for when BLP subjects request their DOB be omitted from their article. GorillaWarfare (talk) 19:32, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks for your reply GorillaWarfare - will take a look - cheers Miles Quest (talk) 19:56, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Greta Thunberg

Greta Thunberg's article starts with the Mental Health section. There is a discussion about whether it is appropriate, as the typical WP pattern for health disclosure is at the end of the article under the Health Section. Many prominent male figures had mental conditions that began to appear in childhood, but their articles do not start with the section titled Mental Health. I am yet to see another article on a well-known person (not a mental health advocate) that begins with the section titled Mental Health. However, if it exists, it doesn't appear objective. Please provide your inputs if you are interested to discuss this in her "talk" page. https://en.wikipedia.org/Greta_Thunberg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Partizan Kuzya (talk • contribs) 18:24, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I can see both sides here - it's an important part of her early life, which is naturally the first section of the article, and it does naturally flow into the discussion of the activism, yet, yes, it does tend to throw shade at it. I think your suggestion of removing the subsection heading is a good compromise, it's otherwise a 2 paragraph section, we can live without it. --GRuban (talk) 18:57, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

→Thank you!!Partizan Kuzya (talk) 20:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree that it's better without the heading. SarahSV 21:02, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

→Please discuss your thoughts on Thunberg's Talk page if you have any comments. Partizan Kuzya (talk) 23:08, 7 December 2020 (UTC)