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"Contentious changes"

Using the ruse of defending NPOV to restore text that describes a revolutionary group, their internal organization, and their internationally unrecognized "republic" as if it were valid state with legitimate, legal offices is utterly laughable. Historial revisionism at its finest. ₪ MIESIANIACAL 22:46, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Be careful around Irish political pages. It can get mighty rough. GoodDay (talk) 23:12, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Let's look at some of the language used in your edits:

to ask for official recognition of the revolutionary republic, wikilinking to Irish Republic. Fails WP:ASTONISH.
While American recognition of the rebel republic had been his priority. Fails WP:NPOV by being distinctly non-neutral. And I believe unsupported by the source.
President of the revolutionary republic. Also fails WP:NPOV as de Valera's title during the period of 26 August 1921 and 9 January 1922 was President of the Republic.
When fighting broke out in Dublin between the Four Courts garrison and the new Free State Army, republicans backed the IRA men. Removes context that was present in the long standing text.
The prime minister of the Free State, W. T. Cosgrave Cosgrave never held the position of Taoiseach/prime minister, as the position didn't exist until 1937. During 1923 Cosgrave was President of the Executive Council.

You are welcome to take this to the WP:NPOVN, if you are unhappy with my responses. Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:13, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi both. With apologies, I hadn't noted this discussion before making some related edits myself. In short however, I agree with Sideswipe9th on several points here. And have restored the description of Cosgrave's role (because, as noted by Sideswipe9th and my own edsumm, "prime minister" isn't entirely accurate. And certainly isn't more accurate or an improvement over the existing wording). And have also restored what would seem to be the most important part of the sentence about the start of the civil war. I have also restored the quoted text. Which was changed in a way that is problematic under MOS:PMC guidelines. (In short, if the source uses caps, then the quoted text should use caps. We don't "correct" sources to suit our own or the project's stylistic preferences...) Guliolopez (talk) 12:18, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

It's all good. For some reason Twinkle only rolled back three of the edits and not all four, and I'd missed that until now. The changes you've made Guliolopez look good to me. Sideswipe9th (talk) 14:27, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism?

He was re-elected President in 1966, aged 84, until 2013...

Is this vandalism?

Valetude (talk) 19:24, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Not sure why you cut off the rest of the sentence. But, in full, it reads " until 2013 a world record for the oldest elected head of state". The authors intent was clearly to communicate, not that "until 2013 ", But that "until 2013, this was a record for oldest head of state". Perhaps the writer could have been clearer in wording and sentence construction. But there is no indication that the writer intended this as vandalism. Guliolopez (talk) 14:03, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

The Date of de Valera's Birth Certificate Amendment

de Valera's birth certificate on file with New York City's Department of Records shows that it was amended on June 30, 1916 (https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/68888). However, a deleted (but archived) blog post on nyc.gov cited the year as "1910" not 1916 because they relied on a low resolution copy of the original (see here: https://web.archive.org/web/20040208005923/http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/features/devalera.shtml). The low resolution copy made it appear as though the 1916 says 1910 and it is what Misplaced Pages currently relies on for de Valera's birth certificate amendment date. The date of the amendment should rely on the primary source, which is the high resolution image of the birth certificate viewable on file at nyc.gov that says 1916, not a deleted blog post that used a less legible low resolution copy. The date should be corrected to 1916. Thank you! Seanmca2 (talk) 17:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Given that the previous (secondary) source is no longer live and as the original (primary) source does appear to be dated to 1916, for now I've taken out the year. Pending more discussion, consensus and clarity. Guliolopez (talk) 17:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

The original wiki article date of 1910 was simply wrong. The 1910 date appears to come from a single typographical error repeated elsewhere with no basis in any primary source or contemporary secondary source. Basic historical practice requires that we adopt the primary source material in this situation.

https://www.archontology.org/nations/eire/eire_rep2/valera4.php

I’m unable to find any serious academic writing that would support 1910. This is a done deal. 152.208.101.233 (talk) 18:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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